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Luffy vs. Escanor

  • Matthew Schroeder
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    01:04, February 8, 2017

    Condition's

    -Speed equalised 

    -Luffy start's at gear 4th 

    -Escanor start's at peak wth Rhitta 

    -Fight end's via death or KO 

    -Both are in charcter but willing to kill each other 

    -Both have knowledge of each other but no prep time 

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    • Escanor starts at noon?? or late morning?

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    • LordAizenSama wrote:
      Escanor starts at noon?? or late morning?

      Noon Escanor because according to his profile noon is when escanor is at it's full power and has consumed enough sunshine to power his attacks

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    • hmm. Escanor wins with low to medium difficulty then. they're already at the upper bounds of "Island level" with Meliodas' feat, Estarossa>>>Meliodas, and Late morning Escanor>Estarossa. And Luffy isn't as durable against slashing type attacks, either.

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    • One Vote for escanor then.

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    • Not Jim Sterling
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    • LordAizenSama wrote:
      hmm. Escanor wins with low to medium difficulty then. they're already at the upper bounds of "Island level" with Meliodas' feat, Estarossa>>>Meliodas, and Late morning Escanor>Estarossa. And Luffy isn't as durable against slashing type attacks, either.

      His gear 4 tankman is very durable against sword type attack but he have trouble to move(or even cant move) his position in that form.

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    • I see, Votes still for Escanor in any case

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    • To access that form Luffy needs to eat for almost a whole night nonstop, its not something he can power up to by himself.

      Voting for escanor due to LAS's reasoning, noon escanor is too much.

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    • Not Jim Sterling
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    • Oh nevermind I thought luffy can start in any g4 in this match.

      btw I not voting.

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    • ^luffy does start with G4,

      anyway, i dont think luffy will be able to come close to escanor despite having a bigger range and more versality,

      sometimes pure and simple power > tricks,

      so i go with escanor as well...

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    • @OP you should remove Luffy's time limit in G4 form, otherwise Escanor can simply outlast him.

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    • PaChi2 wrote: @OP you should remove Luffy's time limit in G4 form, otherwise Escanor can simply outlast him.

      If that will make it fair then yes i will

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    • GreatestSin wrote: ^luffy does start with G4,

      anyway, i dont think luffy will be able to come close to escanor despite having a bigger range and more versality,

      sometimes pure and simple power > tricks,

      so i go with escanor as well...

      2 votes for escanor then.

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    • my vote has been skiped, sigh.

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    • PaChi2 wrote: my vote has been skiped, sigh.

      Oh sorry kek 3 for escanor then.

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    • Bump

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    • Another BUMP

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    • Isn't it too early for a bump? Escanor since he'll just scorch Luffy by being nearby. Sorry Luffy.

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    • luffy is still weak sauce.the sun dude burns him into ashes

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    • 5 for escanor 

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    • Luffy dies.....

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    • Escanor with same reasons above.

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    • 6 for escanor

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    • -BANLK- wrote: Luffy dies.....

      Can you give a more detailed explanation?

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    • Escanor based on Aizen's reasoning.

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    • -BANLK- wrote: Escanor based on Aizen's reasoning.

      That makes 7-0,escanor wins

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    • I think this is sort of a mismatch since slashed and heat are Luffy's 2 main weaknesses (outside of natural DF weaknesses), so this is going to Escanor fairly easily.

      They also don't really fit since Luffy is a brawler and Escanor is an axe wielder. What's next, a sniper against a swordman?

      This is a battle just for the sake of having them in a battle.

      LordAizenSama wrote:
      hmm. Escanor wins with low to medium difficulty then. they're already at the upper bounds of "Island level" with Meliodas' feat, Estarossa>>>Meliodas, and Late morning Escanor>Estarossa. And Luffy isn't as durable against slashing type attacks, either.

      This is a horrible argumant tho, Luffy's at a power type disadvantage here but he still got amazing precog and godly reflexes, not to mention that Luffy is island level with every single punch he throws at G4 and he throws a lot of them.Escanor wins due to being a walking sun which is a major weakness of Luffy as rubber is weak against heat. 

      TL;DR

      If you keep Escanor's flames he wins, if you remove them Luffy takes him down with superior range and precog.

      This is a mismatch.

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    • It may be one sided but it's not a mismatch.

      Also apparently Luffy gains resistance to slash attacks as mentioned above 

      Since when was heat a significant weakness for luffy? Red Hawk says hello..

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    • Luffy struggled with heat against Enel (pre time skip before gears btw), he can generate his own flames but it won't save him from heat attacks from others (as far as I know), I honestly don't know how resistent he would be against a person who is a walking sun.

      I don't think it's one sided against Luffy but kinda against Escanor since Luffy's precog in a speed equalized scenario would make it really hard to land a strike on the very slippery Luffy, who can dodge like a madman even without haki.

      I don't see his actually landing a hit on Luffy with his weapon, his best shot would be to throwe flames at Luffy which I dunno how effective it would be against Luffy with the defence boost from G4, and apperantly Luffy's punches have a better range than his flames.

      Several Killometers >>>> Several Hundred Meters

      Again, sniper vs swordman

      Edit: Luffy can also "fly", this is just not looking good for Escanot

      Edit 2: Luffy doesn't really get resistence from slashes unless it's Tank Man but that needs to be "charged" with food and become full, so I dunno how seriously I can take this into the battle. But if Luffy is tank man he could withstand all of Escanot's attacks and then blow him up like he did to Cracker.

      Looking at this again Escanor can't really do anything against Luffy.

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    • Luffys precog is not infallible. Otherwise no one would ever be able to touch him.

      Escanors Ap and dura is above luffys by a lot, even if it was Late Morning Escanor. And This thread is using Noon Escanor. Luffy gets destroyed in CQC, which is where he willl fight at, not at a distance.

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    • I think this is sort of a mismatch since slashed and heat are Luffy's 2 main weaknesses (outside of natural DF weaknesses), so this is going to Escanor fairly easily.

      Debunked this.

      They also don't really fit since Luffy is a brawler and Escanor is an axe wielder. What's next, a sniper against a swordman?

      A.. bad analogy...??

      This is a battle just for the sake of having them in a battle.

      Yes. that is the purpose of Vs. Threads afterall...

      LordAizenSama wrote:

      This is a horrible argumant tho, Luffy's at a power type disadvantage here but he still got amazing precog and godly reflexes, not to mention that Luffy is island level with every single punch he throws at G4 and he throws a lot of them.Escanor wins due to being a walking sun which is a major weakness of Luffy as rubber is weak against heat. 

      I don't get this headcanon of Luffy being susceptible to heat, even when he has fire attacks.. 

      Luffys "amazing precog" fails a lot. 

      Sure Luffys hit are Island level, but Escanor is far superior in that regard, Don't know why  you would even note that. 

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    • I haven't said that it isn't, but Escanor doesn't have what it takes to exploit it's drawbacks (only people like Luffy or Deadpool can get around it with their seer randomness). It's other drawback is that you can't dodge something way faster than you but speed is equalized, you are misunderstanding how CoO works.

      They are both classified as Island Level in both AP and Dura and I already explained how his axe won't be touching Luffy any time soon with his mobility, range and precog advantage.

      Edit: The battle isn't CQC under the conditions.

      Luffy has no resistence against slashes in G4 Bounce Man (see Cracker). Luffy's resistence against heat is unkown but if it's not a weakness than Escarnor is just even weaker against him now.

      Luffy has killometers of range with a punch as fast as Escanor's attacks, can fly and has precog. He could actually snipe him from the sky.

      You shouldn't just put characters that don't really fit against one another since the battle ends up just being strange. This is a mismatch of themes, Escargor is left is the dust because this is pretty much a range stomp.

      Being able to generate fire via friction and being resistent to flames are too different things, I mentioned how he was shows to struggle against heat in the past, what is wrong with you?

      "Luffy's 'amazing precog' fails a lot."

      Care to explain?

      Again, they are classified as Island Level in both AP and Dura.

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    • Luffy in character fights close quarters...

      And Luffy is in the lower end of Island level, whilst Escanor is at least a handful of times superior in power.

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    • Luffy is very flexible when it comes to his fighting style, ranging from right in your face to across the sky punches.

      Edit: Luffy ends almost all of his battles with a ranged attack across a distance which sends his opponents flying (Crocodile, Luci, Doflamingo, Caesar, Blueno just to name a few).

      You're the one with a strange headcanon.

      More destructive power overall? Likely.

      Several times over? Evidence?

      Enough to beat Luffy? Absolutely not.

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    • Evidence is on the profiles if you take the time to look at it.

      Luffy is around 7 GT  at least, and Escanor is At least 43 GT.

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    • Where did you pull those numbers out of? 

      And range and precog are still a factor, you can't just ignore that.

      Luffy with no limitation on his G4 is too much for Escanor.

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    • If luffy tries to "snipe" from sky or something araound those lines (which he doesnt in character, btw), it would only make it easier for Escanor to cut one his arms off. Luffy's range is an advantage in matchups where they cannot cut his arms, here it isnt.

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    • This and This.

      Luffys range isn't very effective, easy to dodge and easy way to lose your arm from a counter attack. And I've debunked the precog, it's nowhere near as handy as you're implying.

      >Luffy with no limitation on his G4 is too much for Escanor.

      Headcanon.

      This discussion doesn't even matter. Escanor has the votes to win, and he has.

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    • He did that to Dofi (Luffy's fist dancing around the sky until it connected with his face), but he probably won't do that to someone who can't "fly" unlike Luffy and Doffy. Regular attacks which exceed Escanor's melee range are more than enough, Luffy covers more area with his melee attacks and his precog gives him a huge advantage.

      @Aizen

      The colculation you sent regarding Luffy doesn't even scale to Luffy.

      How is it easy to dodge? MHS+ people with precog and a lot of experience can't dodge it and he would be able to easily? Based on what?

      You didn't debunk the precog, you just said it isn't perfect, something I never claimed.

      CoO helps Luffy see Escarnor's attacks coming before they even really start and give him an idea of what they would do to him as well as their range, his location and where he will attack next. It's VERY handy.

      Btw, Luffy can predict counters that would chop off his hand.

      Did you even read this discussion? The OP said that to make the battle more fair and not a simple win for Escanor he is removing the time limitation of Luffy's G4.

      Not headcanon, VS. battle conditions.

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    • Let me ask, how is Luffy going to win when he needs ot be close, and as a passive effect Escanor burns everything around him? That's like having precognition, which is very useful, against the Nuclar Man on Heroes. AoE effects overwhelm any attempt to win if you're reliant on melee attacks.

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    • Okay hear me out, Luffy has far superior range and his CoO is not just precog but also gives him an idea of how powerful the opponent and their attacks are as well as what they do as far as range and power goes, as well as telling him what would happen if it actually hits. So he won't be caught off guard by it and even without G4 (or any gears) Luffy could break through intense aoe forces (Ex. Luffy vs Crocodile), Luffy struggled against heat in the past but now he is resistent to heat so it's unlikely that aoe alone would do much to him.

      Edit: What's with this weird notion that Luffy has to be close? That he needs to stand right next to him? When did Luffy ever fight exclusively like that? Especially in G4? Luffy fights by moving all over the place and striking from blind spots, even if that means kicking the opponent in the back when they are on the ground, he doesn't hold back.

      Escanor would have to strike Luffy with his axe but since Luffy has precog, better range and better mobility it's not gonna happen, especially in unlimited G4.

      Both Luffy and Escanor got buffed here but Luffy packs more of a punch.

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    • lowlevel precog like CoO is useless vs AoE attacks.the Time difference is not enough to dogde escanors moves

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    • How is CoO low level exactly? It's only weakness being unable to predict the unpredictable, something Luffy can achive but Escanor cannot.

      AoE flame attacks (which Luffy would have prior knowledge of) won't work on a tank of a fighter like Luffy since he is resistent to heat. It would mildly bother him at best.

      I am not saying CoO counter the aoe (tho it will tell Luffy it's exact range), but that it counters Escanor's most powerful attacks, his axe swings. Rhitta is not going to touch Luffy this fight and that's the only way Ercanor can actually take Luffy down as he is resistent to heat, making the flames an inconvenience at worst.

      Edit: "lowlevel precog like CoO is iseless against AoE ttacks."

      I am sure you have a scan to back this claim, don't you?

      Speed is equalized btw, making Luffy's precog and mobility advantage even more powerful.

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    • Just saying.

      This is already requested at the official versus match-up addition thread.a 7-1 difference aint making a difference

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    • Asking for proof on why Precog is useless against AoE is like asking for proof on why water would douse flames. If you can't dodge something, you ain't dodging it, even if you can see it coming. I don't see Luffy the type to keep on backing away either and you are aware that Escanor isn't just stand there not following after Luffy right?

      And Luffy is anything but heat resistant.... Especially considering he never dealt with this level of flames before and add in the fact that Akainu's attack was going to roast the hell out of him if Ace hadn't protected him so that kinda puts a hole in your argument.

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    • Bad analogy?

      I am not saying Luffy is gonna dodge the aoe (did you even read what I said?), but he will dodge Rhitta's attacks and that's the only thing Escanor got that will kill Luffy.

      Luffy doesn't run away, but he will disengage and attack from a different angle, he did so plenty of times.

      Look up Luffy's profile, he is heat resistent specifically when he is in his gears and this is his strongest gear with no time limit. Pre time skip Luffy wasn't as heat resistent as he is now, but now he can cause island level flame attacks from his fist. If Luffy can withstand his own flames despite being rubber than he can withstand Escanor's flames for a good while if not being completely immune to them in G4.

      Another point to keep in mind is that Akainu's attacks are live magma, you can't compare an AoE heat wave to magma clinging onto you.

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    • >red hawk

      >island level

      E1ClrR8
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    • Escanor fries Luffy to crisp

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    • If someone could add this and close the thread would be good. Going nowhere fast.

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    • LordAizenSama wrote: If someone could add this and close the thread would be good. Going nowhere fast.

      Indeed

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    • Almost noon form Escanor destroy him with ease. 

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