Goku realizes that Demonbane is a creature he has never seen before and decides to teleport into the Masadaverse. He is trained by Reinhard to 1-A, teleports to Shin Megami Tensei, Digimon and Saint Seiya and absorbs all the Hax these universes have to offer. Then goes to Umineko and lets himself be blessed by Featherine so that he is connected to her and gets a Type 8 immortality so that he can only die if Featherine is defeated. Then he goes back to Demonbane and stomps him alone with his presence and then deletes the concept of Spite Threads.
Correction, Goku becomes Ultra Super Saiyan God Ultra Super Saiyan Kaioken times Above Absolute Infinity Ultra Instinct Grand Mastered Ultimate Omni King Xeno God above Omnipotence. That's the name of his new form after BleackPAIN99's summary.
In terms of AP Demonbane looks like to be slighly above baseline (able to create and destroy universes with his clashes), Goku has a bit more of scaling with him > Jiren > Beerus > Kefla/Toppo/Vegeta Evo (roughly all in the same ballpark) > Aniraza > Casual Jiren > Infinite Zamasu (who was a literal living timeline). Which means Goku is abit above
With speed equalized, we have Goku who has reactionary dodge and Demonbane's bigger size, but given the opponents are either FTL (Demonbane) or MFTL+ (Goku) the size should be semi irrilevant (see: Giga Bowser, although admittedly there was not such size difference), but we know Goku has fought big opponents such as Ozaru and Aniraza
Which of course means it's time to use HAX.
On that point, we have no doubt, Demonbane edges out, but are these capabilities enough? Let's see
Teleportation - Goku has IT that is similar and is willing to spam. Demonbane seems to use Teleportation less IC
Energy binding - Not the first time DBZ characters face paralysis
Atlantis Strike - durability bypassing attack that warps space time. Could fuck up Goku real good if he doesn't dodge
Big Sword - Not much
Illusion Creation - Good question if Goku can be messed up or not by that.I remember it was argued he should be able to instinctively know,but let's put a maybe
Big shield - Flanking attacks
Homing shot - I am just asking, can Itaqua target an opponent MUCH SMALLER than itself? I think ki blasts should destroy it
Shining Trapezohedron - If that hits Goku, that's automatic, but I am not sure how quickly Demonbane would pull it out
We also have Demonbane Regeneration, but it seems it will give no real advantage, the Black hole creation (irrilevant as Goku should be able to outrun them), not sure how much Casuality manipulation is used mid attack, and attack through space time (should be dodgeable)
Overall Goku has superior stats, less willingness to use hax (I dont think he'd use a Mufaba or even the Paralysis on Demonbane) and MUI would drain him relatively fast, while Demonbane has more hax,but less capability of landing it due to all seeming to go hax. The shining trapezohedron should be able to seal Goku but that would put DB at a disadvantage as both would be running down on fumes.
Goku can potentially one shot it with a Kamehameha, so I give a vote to Goku, but barely, at 55/100, but Demonbane has a lot of chance to win (Also, having Goku with Demonbane as notable victories would be hilarious)
Of course, if it turns out Casuality Manipulation can be used in combat... yeah, I am giving it to Demonjane
DarkDragonMedeus wrote: Correction, Goku becomes Ultra Super Saiyan God Ultra Super Saiyan Kaioken times Above Absolute Infinity Ultra Instinct Grand Mastered Ultimate Omni King Xeno God above Omnipotence. That's the name of his new form after BleackPAIN99's summary.
The correct term for this form should be: Ultra Super Instinct Briah Mega DNA Digivolve Fünftes Weltall 9th sense Longinus Cloth Testament Saiyan God Kaio-ken Times googleplex.
I find it weird it's not mentioned that as a notable technique NOR Liber Legis is mentioned to have learnt to adapt to it in the profiles. It's his main option to win against Goku because otherwise he is in pretty big trouble
I then suggest to lock the debate. With how DB is portrayed here in the profile, Goku has an advantage and just enough power. But from what I see by reading all and having created infinite universes, the low 2-C should be 2-A
Which would disqualify Demonbane for cheating on his tier and give the victory to Goku by default :P
Schnee One wrote: TBF Demonbane profiles are complete and utter shit, which is why this match is kinda pointless. (I doubt he'll even be Low 2C in a while)
Anyway, I'm not sure how having an attack that you did become reversed is dodgeable, you punch something and you feel the punch
Also, it isn't on the profile either, as again, DB profiles are shit and ALRF was doing a revision on it, but Demonbane reversed teleportation away, similar to Accelerator from To Aru
Well, some people have abilities that, while usually done with a handwave or something like that, are done with a physical attack or energy that can be dodged. I was wondering if this was a similar case.
Oh, I thought you meant that if he punched forward, he actually punched backward or something, no that punching something would punch himself.
I thought it was something Shinji Hirako's ability, but instead of being a manipulation of your senses, it was one of your actual body.
Demonbane can destroy him via conceptual manipulation, The magic in demonbane affects physical, mental, spiritual, conceptual, information and more, you can even say that the origin of things themselves, apart from breaking or denying them (even at the beginning of the work or low-level or inexperienced magicians like Kurou).
Each attack is a conceptual law that imposes itself on the world and without these literal resistances you die instantly.
Speed its not a problem as a mage exist outside any law or logic in reality in Euclidean Geometry (but its on speed equalized)...
Also have bariers and some shit that Goku will not pass, also in extreme conditions like in his final fight against the rapper clown or The Tyrant, you can invoke the Trapezohedron SHinig but it is or would be a very rare case (I have it only as a possibility).
JackJoyce wrote: @Extreme123dz Are you talking about the 1-A Demonbane?
No, plz, lear or find some information about Demonbane, even in the first aparition and weakest, all of the Magicians/Sorceres have all of i say, this is and example, i read some thing like (teleport to Demonbane and kill the pilots), first this is imposible and second, Pilot have the same levels as Demonbane and what i wrote.
There are a lot of Stuf about themonbane but right now i have no time to explain or find my scnas, and this is only Zanma Taisei, Kishin and the Light Novels expand this and have better feats but there are un Japanese Dx