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    18:25, July 11, 2018

    To commemorate link´s 4-B rating,i will put him to fight againts my second favourite videogame character

    4-B versions

    SBA

    Speed equalized

    And tell me if Geo Estelar is a better match-up.



    X :7

    Link: 7
    Megaman X 1
    LINKY

    Link?

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    • This is a tricky fight but I think Link outhaxes X though black holes will give Link some trouble.

      Also, what does SBA mean?

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    • This is a pretty cool match actually. No kidding, the idea is cool for how different their fighting styles actually are.

      LONG ASS POST AHEAD


      A couple of questions first:

      -It's composite X, right? I mean, it's fair given it's composite Link using all his tools and weapons, skills and abilities, so X should have access to all his weapons, armors, trinkets and experiences (that would be Z-Era X).

      -Does X have access to the Mother Elf? This is a huge asset for X so it's important to know.

      -How do they measure up in AP and Durability? Who stronger and more resistant and by how much?


      Okay, how I see things:

      Link is pretty versatile, everyone knows that, but it's close combat where he shines the most and his ranged combat while excellent is, for the most part, in assistance of his close ranged one. X, on the other hand, is an expert martial artist and has skill with short-range weapons as seen he has his own spin with the Z-Saber, but he is first and foremost a marksman and most of his fighting style revolves around keeping his distance and gunning down his opponent with his varied weapons. Both share similar aspect in strategies: scouting for openings or weak points, analyzing patterns and looking for the best tactics to exploit them
      (noticeably, taking advantage when enemies seem vulnerable, stop or seem to be preparing an attack). From what I see here, the fight would be mostly trying to stay away from Link and attack from afar, while Link tries to close in and get an infight, using his own projectiles to fight back but also to help him to close in.

      Individually:

      Link:

      Pros:

      -Important advantage at close combat
      -Has ways of one shotting X with the Ancient Arrow and the Annihilator
      -Does have ways of closing in like the Hookshot and variations and the Magnetic Gloves (though, apparently, he can't use the gloves and the Shield and the same time so he has to switch between them)
      -Resists Elemental Damage, allowing him to hold on against several of X's weapons
      -More reliable healing, magic restoring and regeneration and a much larger pool of it.
      -More versatile hax with a much larger arsenal
      -Mirror Shield and barriers can deflect a good part of X energy projectiles                                -Can set up traps with several of his items to control terrain
      -Nobuyuki Hiyama

      Cons:

      -Lower stamina
      -Limited ammo and magic despite having large amounts of both
      -Outclassed at long range combat
      -Most if not all of his projectiles can be stopped or blocked

      X

      Pros:

      -Important advantage at ranged combat
      -Has many ways to keep his distance, push Link away or escape if caught.
      -Has many shields and defenses of his own to protect himself from incoming projectiles and attacks to keep his long-range advantage. Can also shot down projectiles thrown at him, even energy ones thanks to chips, parts, armor parts and shields, and barriers.
      -Unlimited Ammo thanks to the X8's Ultimate Armor and the Fourth Armor (assuming composite X is used). Fourth Armor does spend weapon energy on charged special weapons, but the X8 Ultimate Armor does indeed give unlimited ammo even on charged uses.                                                                                                                                            -Essentially unlimited stamina thanks to the mother elf (and incredibly high on his own too)
      -Many of his projectiles can work around the Mirror Shield, being explosives, blades, liquids, liquids and the black holes.
      -Several of his weapons break barriers and defenses.                                                               -Parts, Chips and certain armor parts allow for quick charge of special weapons adding versatility.
      -Absolute Zero and Heat Attacks may be deadly to Link (I may be wrong on this one, though, correct me if I am wrong, but Link's profile, while it does state he resists Ice and Fire manipulation, it doesn't mention Absolute Zero and X's fire has been stated to
      be hotter than the Earth's Core and Absolute Zero temperatures, and resistances are not immunities unless explicitly so).
      -Flight thanks to the Falcon Armor's Foot Parts (Assuming this is composite X)
      -Is debatably agiler? (Not faster, given speed is equalized, but X's fighting style does involve a lot of dashing, wall climbing, jumping, multi air dashing and running around while attacking)


      Cons:

      -Outclassed at close combat, though not helpless and can fight back, but if things drag out Link has it in the bag.
      -Own regeneration can be stopped by the Master Sword
      -Much more limited healing
      -Energy Projectiles can be reflected by the Mirror Shield while Metallic Ones can be repelled with the magnetic gloves
      -Being made of metal the Magnetic Gloves can be an issue
      -No longer voiced by Mark Gatha, more relevant in his case given unlike Link who is a silent hero, it becomes noticeable as X keeps speaking roles.

      This is assuming X does have the Shoryuken, the Hadouken and the Nova Strike, but taking their One Hit Kill as gameplay as well as X's ability to use non-stop the Nova Strike (and that it recharges during battle instead).

      Neutral:

      -Both resist each other's mind and soul manipulation. Both are immune to time slow and stop and transmutation.

      -Both seem to be around equally experienced. Maaaaaaaaybe, X has an edge here by virtue of having been fighting all sort of Mavericks non stop for over a century and then jumping straight into the Elf Wars for another 4. However, you could argue that Link, despite less time fighting, has faced more varied enemies due to having more games. Still, given the nature of each side (full technology vs magic with technological bits) they can surprise each other perfectly well.

      If you ask me this could go either way, I almost would even say it would be inconclusive. But, I guess I'll barely go with X on this one mostly because if he plays his cards right he can outlast Link. Speed is equalized and assuming both are even in terms of power and durability or at least even enough to avoid easy one shootings, X has two big advantages: much higher stamina and unlimited ammo. While Link can fight offensively or defensively perfectly fine as however he needs, X is a much more defensive fighter (something the games themselves tell the player and even encourage) and given how good his long-range combat is his endurance advantage can prove key; he can play it safe to avoid Link's most lethal moves and still slowly crawl to his victory, Link on the other hand by being defensive can avoid all risks but won't get anywhere and will eventually tire out, his option is to
      take more risks and spend more of his resources and energy in trying to catch X and finish him off in Close Combat where he has a huge advantage.

      Huff... long post is long... Keep in mind this is how I see things. I may be missing things given Link has 1000+ gadgets in his belt already is hard to keep track of all of them if you have missed a Zelda game =P

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    • You forgot about Lonk’s 3 day invulnerability ovo.

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    • I did think about it, X can actually keep fighting for that long.O_O

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    • In all seriousness, they’re dead equal in AP, though Link is potentially 16x more durable depending if he wants to wear his red gear.

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    • Kinda what I thought. Well, X can also pile up defensive boosts to cut down damage by like 8x if one includes barriers and such, but not much of a point since the deal is not getting hit and Link does have OHK stuff.

      This is like playing an absurdly hard boss battle, the ones that make your hands sweat. XD

      EDIT: Their feats to get their 4-B tier are pretty similar, aren't they? In X's case is resisting the collapse of Lumine's dimension and in Link's was the Dark World, both places large enough to contain a sun.

      Question: when Speed is equalized speed boosts and decreases aren't allowed, right?

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    • Oh, here here. I agree. Not even how I haven’t voted yet lol, and am just covering bases.

      Fi should be able to read X like a book tho.

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    • I guess? Dunno, sadly my Wii broke down as I was beginning Skyward Sword -_- So I dunno much about Fi outside her Kung Fu Light Skating (which was awesome)

      I guess it's allowed for Link to have one of his usual partners with him, especially if X is allowed to have the Mother Elf. I mean, TC hasn't said anything regarding that issue.

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    • I mean, considering Fi is his sword...lol

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    • Lol, I had forgotten about that. Was thinking in a Navi/Midna like situation.

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    • i always think zero would be a better match up for link

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    • X can use everyrhing in his profile

      and I didn´t use zero because he had fights againts superman,thor,cloud ect

      and we have X fighting a pony,X needs more attetion

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    • And thanks Tarta for your amazing vote n_n

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    • X has probably fought a higher variety of enemies. X has less games, sure, but he fights eight unique enemies in each game, not even counting fortress bosses. X FRA, beacuse I have nothing else to mention other than that.

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    • I do not know much about Zelda universe

      But if link try to keep melee combat against X, he could just fly away with one of his armor. And if link uses one of its ranged attacks, X has several ways to block them with black hole and some abilities that work as shield. Or instead he could just dodge them with greater agility

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    • Reasoning seems solid enough in X's favour. I don't think it would be simple given Link is highly intelligent fighter to realize the risks, but our blue bomber does have the tools to pull it off. All in all aside defense several of his barriers also damage enemies to prevent approaches, like the charged Rolling Shield, Crescent Shot, Bubble Spray and Drift Diamond.

      I never quite got something: his charged Crystal Hunter is a Time Slowdown or is a Bullet Time?

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=17gHU648yzQ (3:35) Given his resistance to Time Manipulation (and that he himself is using the attack) it seems weird he would be slowed down by it. But I could be wrong.

      In case the Mother Elf Hax is brought up: The data and biological manipulation was mostly for reploids and viruses as well, right?. Still gives X almost limitless stamina, one hell of a healing factor (reason why Omega was impossible to put down until Zero came back), and speed (though this doesn't matter with Speed Equalized).

      Now, does as Tarta asked does Link resist Absoulte Zero, Earth's Core Heat, Paralysis and also Matter Manipulation? Because if he doesn't X may have some key plays in his favour there.

      So all in all I'll go with X on this one. Sorry for the wordy post, but eh, my two cents.

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    • Good to know I am not the only one with a big mouth here. Pretty cool video you found BTW. Also shows X has weapons that can also work as traps to control the field. EDIT: Dude, I didn't remember X had so many full screen attacks and weapons that shot from behind or weird angles, not needing to be aimed.

      I also found a take on this matchup though it differs from my reasoning:

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2o8nKCnDt-g

      SPOILER:

      The game looks awesome.

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    • That thing got released in the end?! Sweet!

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    • Link via sealing

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    • Actually, that's not true Cal. Link is like 1.02 kilofoe iirc. X is casually 1.2 Kilofoe. Giving X the Dark Elf (which is equal to or somewhat stronger than he is at his peak in MMZ, who should be much stronger than X Era X if he's at all comparable to Zero) gives him a decent AP advantage

      Aside from the reasons above, (I think) Ancient Arrow is Existence Erasure. This would not work because Cyber Elves have that and X held his own against The Mother Elf.

      There's a lot on both sides, but I'm gonna have to say that X would win. The gap between their ranged combat is bigger than the gap between their close combat, X should be decently stronger, and he has more viable hax to use such as Absolute Zero. I could go longer but much has already been said.

      Voting X mid diff
      
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    • Actually Link's AP should be the same as Lumine I believe.

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    • The calc was a bit lower iirc.

      But either way, X tanked the full force of it at point blank range casually

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    • @Kazuma

      Geo would slaughter Link. hes casually 300x stronger than Link (Finalized Noise >> Sirius (casually 100.129 kilofoe), Meteor G and Kelvin fused, all of whom should be comparable) and he's haxed in his own right.

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    • They’re scaled from literally the exact same feat. Link’s feat is more casual than X’s, if anything, due to Triforce’s feat being via existence while Lumine exerts energy.

      You’re right about what the arrows are, but that’s not how resistances work...

      Anywho, probably gonna give it to Link, high diff. Now, both seemingly have the same mindset against enemies, with seeing what they’d be weak to. Factoring in resistances in both sides, Link’s hax seems to be better, due to his many forms of transmutation, namely the Spell spell (yes, the spell is actually called Spell), which isn’t a projectile. Same with his BFR. And there’s a chance that his time stop might bypass X’s resistance with the Clock, as its indefinite length severely outdoes what X resisted with Dark Hold. While ABZ ice and black holes would indeed off Link, they still need to connect, and the former can be absorbed by the Mirror Shield. Due to Fi’s good information analysis, Link is going to be one step ahead of X, and will use his more potent abilities like the above or the Ancient Arrows quicker due to that.

      If you take out hax, I’d probably still give it to Link. Both have enough experience to render any advantage moot. There’s still Fi (and Ezlo), as I said above, so he’d be able to figure out X’s weaknesses before vice versa. So that close combat Both have a massive array of weapons, but Link definitely has more, with a good amount of X’s getting outright no-sold. Link’s buffs are better than X’s chips and parts. Red Ring + Red Mail will increase his durability by 16x, Fierce Deity Mask ups stats by a hilarious, albeit unquantifiable amount, and many many many more. While some things may not get reflected by the Mirror Shield, they still get stopped by the Hylian Shield, and given Link’s almost always equipped with it, it is a greater defensive option than X’s barriers. If X plays it long range, it does neuter Link, but it can also prompt him into using instant long range hitting attacks like the Thunder spell.

      Another thing that was brought up quite a bit was stamina as well, which I can safely say X has the advantage in. However, the fight has no reason to go long enough that X just outlasts him when even Young Link could fight for a day straigh, and the fight would last an hour at best. And I don’t think that X would really be doing that hot with Link’s invincibility (that’s not an NLF here due to similar AP) lasting as long as the fight will. And there really isn’t a counter if Link puts on the Stone Mask and leaves it on.

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    • Phoenix821 wrote: Actually Link's AP should be the same as Lumine I believe.

      Thats the mmz X, which is Far stronger than MMX8's X. Mother Elf Alone is already solar system level

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    • I won´t count asuka´s vote because "via sealing" for me is like giving no reason

      I Will say that if X notice that Link  somehow is "invisible" (because is not becoming invisible but "being as interesting as a rock") for the stone mask,he will play super defensive,he will try to fight like he fought againts cyber peacock,a  maverick who fought teleporting,then attacking and teleporting again so he was only 2 or 3 seconds vulnerable ,so X will be using barriers and trying to counter

      Also,half of his specials weapons have a charged shot with inmensive AoE ,so being "invisible" can be countered

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    • How is that not how resistances work? All Cyber Elf abilities are based on Mother Elf who attacks similarly to those elves at times

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    • Also, X doesn't really have any exploitable weaknesses

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    • @Cal

      I don´t think Link can bypass X´s time immunity, X doesn´t move in frozen time any longer because Dark Hold runs out, not because his immunity fails. If anything, if Link's time stopping affected previously immune enemies then it would be different.

      I was considering the Mirror Shield like it was as sturdy as the Hylian Shield but with the additional effect of reflecting energy, actually. Just like how it works in OoT. What I was fully aware that Link can protect and avoid X's weapons for the most part, but nailing apparently indestructible enemies during small openings or small windows for weak points is pretty much how you play most X games, it´s one of X´s schticks (just like Link actually). The Hylian Shield would allow X to spam shots more safely if anything, and Link does have to cover himself of course. X has many projectiles that don't hit directly or travel from him to the enemy (most of his X6 charged attacks), reason why Link has to rely on other defensive gears as well as dodging and parrying. As mentioned earlier, X has many AoE attacks and homing attacks as well, Link unless is using specific items isn't invulnerable with the Shield alone, being hit in the back while blocking in one direction actually isn't that impossible.

      If we factor defensive multipliers, X also has pretty good gear in that regard: Armor Parts halve damage, the Shock Buffer (X7 version) halves damage again, the X3 Armor creates a forcefield when X is hit that reduces damage by half again (with the head chip or Golden Armor), the Hermes Armor's X Drive is an upgrade mode that doubles the effectiveness of all his armor parts.  This sole combination gives X a x16 reduction as well, or even higher if you apply the X-Drive to the base boosts one for one. Like Link, X also has several attack boosting stuff to use.

      The Xtreme Hyper Dash part makes X invincible when dashing.

      Well, I may be missing something on this one (still haven't played Majora's Mask, but I really want to), so correct me if I´m wrong:  but when using the Fierce Deity Mask, doesn´t Link stops using his shield to use the Helix Sword with both hands and is unable to use sub items? Not to mention it drains his magic slowly when using the sword beams. It essentially sacrifices Link's protection and versatility for more power.

      IIRC the Mother Elf does protect X from transmutation, on top of his already biological manipulation resistance, thanks to the effects of several cyber elves.

      Fi's advice comes from some scan like ability that reveals about the enemy or is she just really knowledgeable about the world and imparts said wisdom with Link? (haven´t played Skyward Sword either, my Wii broke down -_-). If it´s the first then it would give Link and edge on how to fight, but otherwise unless Fi has some sort of precognition it doesn't give Link the victory given X doesn't really follow patterns like bosses, all his weapons can be switched on the fly without warning or buildup, and charging is the closest thing to buildup he gives. Color change is there, but changing right before shooting and changing back is perfectly possible.

      The issue with Spell (lol, really was this the original name or just a mistranslation?) and Lightning is also the big cost of magic the have for Link, also unless Link hits X with the Silver Arrows (which X can block or shoot down) or the Master Sword (more viable, but X will avoid close combat), X can renerate damage (and heal himself, though not as much as Link can). Also X has parts that reduce stun and stagger effects on him (X8 armor nullifies it in game, but I guess it should be taken as X being just highly resistant to pain when damaged), so Link can't just spam the spell either carelessly or he will get countered.

      If Link becomes invincible X will simply hang back and wait, just like in the games. He can even concentrate more on defense and his own protection. Not to mention that invicibility granting items quickly drain Link's magic, needing to refuel and also potentially distrupting his other magic attacks.

      The Stone Mask doesn't work on all enemies, be it stronger like bosses or more skilled like Gerudo Pirates. X also has radars in his head parts, especifically the X2 helm part has a function that signals anything strange in his surroundings, even if it's invisible. Not to mention AoE attacks and homing ones if he needs as well.

      If you actually read through all my nonsense you have my thanks, BTW. Not being ironic, but I really should stop using walls of text so much >_>

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    • LOL

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    • I did read through it, and I respect every bit of your input lol.

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    • If we're compositing link, then Link FRA

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    • @Zephyros Link's reasonings are vague AF, not to mention it's an ability he's rarely shown to use against good guys.

      X should take this for the reasons stated above.

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    • >Vague AF

      None of my reasons were anywhere close to vague.

      >Rarely shown to use against good guys

      Literally all of X’s weapons...

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    • Theglassman12 wrote:
      @Zephyros Link's reasonings are vague AF, not to mention it's an ability he's rarely shown to use against good guys.

      X should take this for the reasons stated above.

      Cal reasons for me are good enought for deserving to be use as  "for reasons above"

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    • Can't Link use the Chateau Romani and Magic Armor to remain invincible for 3 days?

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    • Phoenix821 wrote:
      Can't Link use the Chateau Romani and Magic Armor to remain invincible for 3 days?

      Yes,and X can fight for a year scaling to Zero who fought neo arcadia army for a year and with mother elf,his stamina limitless

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    • That's indicating the fight will last that long.

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    • Yeah. I brought that up. Unlike Link, X has to resort to hax to bring Link down quickly due to that. X has dozens upon dozens of weapons. By the time he gets one that’ll actually be able to destroy Link, or trying to see if there’s any opening to hurt Link when there isn’t one, Link’ll get his winning strikes in.

      About the regeneration, isn’t it a game composite X? Because Link is solely game composite, and X only has useful regen in the manga. Link doesn’t get manga feats, otherwise he’d be 4-A with a Low 2-C Fierce Deity Mask.

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    • The real cal howard wrote:
      Yeah. I brought that up. Unlike Link, X has to resort to hax to bring Link down quickly due to that. X has dozens upon dozens of weapons. By the time he gets one that’ll actually be able to destroy Link, or trying to see if there’s any opening to hurt Link when there isn’t one, Link’ll get his winning strikes in.

      About the regeneration, isn’t it a game composite X? Because Link is solely game composite, and X only has useful regen in the manga. Link doesn’t get manga feats, otherwise he’d be 4-A with a Low 2-C Fierce Deity Mask.

      Not to mention Link negates Regeneration up to Low-Godly IIRC

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    • Kazuma, you can't vote for your own thread.



      Also, I doubt regen in Zelda is comparable to something akin to Meta Cooler.

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    • Link FRA

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    • @Bruce. Considering Ganon has reeeeally good Low Godly regen, it’s much better than something akin to Meta Cooler.

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    • Also, X has sealing too, as he can use his body to take in beings equal or even more powerful than himself in MMZ (Dark Elf)

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    • Given the little I know about Cyber Elves, I’m pretty sure that’s a false equivalency, as from what I know, and I’m probably wrong, they’re pretty much sentient power ups to him.

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    • Composite Link also includes the Hero’s shade, who’s listed with infinite stamina

      Also, Link FRA+ Nigh-invulnerability from the ToP (assuming Link has the full TF).

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    • The real cal howard wrote:
      @Bruce. Considering Ganon has reeeeally good Low Godly regen, it’s much better than something akin to Meta Cooler.

      What I mean by that is I don't think Link's sword is going to negate self-repair systems as opposed to a demon king, but that's more opinion based. Link would have to get past other stuff anyway though

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    • BruceTheBatman wrote:
      Kazuma, you can't vote for your own thread.


      Also, I doubt regen in Zelda is comparable to something akin to Meta Cooler.

      I am not voting ...

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    • Sorry, I misread.

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    • Also, to debunk one reason Cal gave, since as Tarta said, X can negate damage up to 8x if composite is used and Mother Elf is >= X at his peak, also doubling his power. Also invulnerability is a bit of a NLF when X's hadouken can KO characters as or even more durable than himself, there's a good chance it'll still OHKO Link.

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    • The 16x thing is only 2 of the dozens of wearable things Link has (Red Ring + Red Mail).

      Who can X OHKO with the Hadouken? Sounds a bit like game mechanics, like Ganondorf being weak to fishing rods.

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    • The real cal howard wrote:
      The 16x thing is only 2 of the dozens of wearable things Link has (Red Ring + Red Mail).

      Who can X OHKO with the Hadouken? Sounds a bit like game mechanics, like Ganondorf being weak to fishing rods.

      this

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    • Sigma, who at that point was arguably stronger than X. Doubt it would be game mechanics since it is stated in MHX iirc to be one of the stronger powers he has.

      I could go a little further

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    • Also, the Mirror Shield isn’t the only thing Link can reflect with, as his catching net and pretty much all of his swords can send attacks back, forcing C to get up close.

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    • Actually, with multipliers Link would only get 3/256th of damage.

      https://pastebin.com/AXR14A0b

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    • He can also reflect attacks useing the empty bottle

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    • Leah, X one shotting Sigma of all people with any attack like that is heavy game mechanics unless it happened in a cutscene.

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    • X can just fire an explosive since he has many to hit link via AoE, not really forcing him to do anything.



      He also should have some measure of barrier bypassing since the skill Zero learned from Copy X is a laser than can pass through enemies and shields.

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    • When HE makes canon 4-B bug nets in Zelda ovo.

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    • X fra

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    • Link has a ring that lets him no-sell explosions though. Like, h actually takes no damage from them.

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    • X fra

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    • Aaaand another wall of text incoming! * Loud booing can be heard *

      I agree with Cal on the Hadouken and Shoryuken (and by extension X3 Z-Saber and X8 Nova Strike) OHK feeling too much like game mechanics, we can take them as being powerful attacks but by being easter eggs and all their power could be easily taken as "rewarding the player with an OP move for kicks". Being usable is more justified because the Hadouken gets acknowledged in other of X appearances, in X8 he has a shoryuken like move, the Nova Strike is a staple super move for him. His X3 Z-Saber (where he sends a blade beam that takes 3/4 of bosses health and obliterates every other enemy) is kinda contradicted by X6 where he can use it but much more clumsily than Zero whose only move with such power is the Genmu Zero a secret skill he can only use as a Maverick. Zero is also clearly superior to X in close combat and swordsmanship, so X pulling a move like that right away after getting the saber in X3 comes as iffy, when even with upgrades in X6 he still falls behind Zero with it.

      And it's true, Ganon needs just his soul to come back, Meta Cooler can be destroyed if his body is gone. Reason why only the Master Sword or Zelda pulling some trick are the only things to do the job, and even then they don't stick.

      Link can also deflect powerful magic with his almighty bug catching web, BTW. Ask poor Aghanim =P

      Well, in X8 several of X's moves can destroy barriers and break guards.

      The regeneration I mentioned for X is the one from the Mother Elf, not his manga self (we're using composites from the games). The same one that kept reactivating and made Omega so unkillable until Zero woke up and took the Dark Elf from him. Link can negate it with the Master Sword and the Silver Arrows, but he does need to hit X with one of them first, doesn't he.

      Many of X's AoE are energy attacks; the Falcon Armor  Giga Crush, charged Ray Splasher is a rain of energy, the charged Gravity Well (normal is also a high gravity zone that atracts and crushes) and Squeeze Bomb can be an AoE black hole. Charged Frost Tower, Gel Shaver are AoE Absolute Zero attack (and charged Ice Burst creates icicles wherever X dashes through, while charged Drift Diamond creates a freezing barrier around X). Guard Shell creates "drones" that shoot towards the target from four different directions, Metal Anchor creates a rain of Storm Eagle metallic statues. Homing attacks also help such as charged Wind Cutter and Homing Torpedo. Sonic Slicer, Shadow Runner and Boomerang Cutter are blade AoE attacks.

      Actually if we could pile up every defensive gear for both characters, both X and Link would become absurdly unkillable. Link has a gazillion tunics and rings, X has 12 armors, each that halves damage without counting chips and parts. Armors alone could reduce damage by x4096 and with the X Drive it would either be x8192 if you apply it to the final number or even more applied to each armor individually... which is completely ridiculous as neither would even scratch the other. From what I got, with composites is essentially allowing them to use all their different abilities and items and be at the best condition displayed in what's being used, not really repeating an ability if he is already using it.

      Reason while I am so stubborn with stamina is because how good each of the two's defense is. Getting openings would be hard, and none have a weak point to inflict huge damage nor to create space for a full assault, getting a good hit would be the best outcome. What I am trying to point is that Link can't be too aggresive or he'll get hit with a barrage, and while he can defend himself of the many projectiles, he has to go more on the defensive to do so. Don't forget X is more mobile: invisible, invincible dashing, multi air dash, hovering, flight, wall climbing and bouncing. He can drag things out, letting Link get close would be his doom but he can run away with other stuff like a Nova Strike, the Strike Chain (essentially his Hookshot) and several close ranged weapons that deadly on their own right may not manage to hurt Link, but can distract him for an opening to run off. Link will have trouble reaching X, but X has to be very defensive to pull it off. And let's not take it as Link being able to one shot X with anything at close range, X can take punishment, the issue is that he'd lose his regen, but Link would have to repeatedly attack to finish off X (same other way around, a single well placed shot form X won't put Link down). Unless, of course they use one of their OHKs and it hits, but that is hard already.

      I don't know if Link has a regen as good as Ganondorf has. The regenation seemed to be more of an ability the King of Evil had that was improved by the triforce of power (makes sense given it amplifies his magic as well). I could be missing something, but if it's stated somewhere like Hyrule Historia or the games that the Triforce of Power grants such regen then it goes, otherwise we could be misatributing something that's actually Ganon's.

      I had forgotten something important: X also has his Erupting Shining Fingahz voiced by Mark Gatha and everything, he can OHK anything with that based on his right hand of his burning blue. >_>  <_<   That should be canon, let me be a fanboy.

      Lame jokes aside, wish I could speak for Cyber Elves themselves, but I never payed much attention to them in the Zero series (because they punished your mission rank for using them and I already sucked hard enough at the game). I tried looking up but all I found are the in-game descriptions which are pretty criptic.

      EDIT: Holy freaking hell, I really outdid myself this time with the verbal diarreah. O_O

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    • Shining Finger would make this a stomp in X’s favor ovo.

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    • Even without defence items, Link would still easily tank everything (AP related) that X can throw at him thanks to the (nigh) invulnerability of the ToP. And it’s not NLF here as they have comparable APs.

      If ghosts have infinite stamina, then Link would have it too thanks to the Hero’s shade.

      Btw, Ganon can use Low-Godly even without ToP, but it works quite different than normal. I’m not sure if Link scales (most likely not), then again, the Hero’s shade is a ghost, but the wolf seems corporeal. Hmm... Just joking.

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    • The real cal howard wrote: >Vague AF

      None of my reasons were anywhere close to vague.

      >Rarely shown to use against good guys

      Literally all of X’s weapons...

      I was referring to Asuka’s reasoning, who i thought was the only one who voted for link. My bad

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    • well myself do take my vote for LINK FRA right now.

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    • Was my vote for Link counted?

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    • TriforcePower1 wrote:
      Even without defence items, Link would still easily tank everything (AP related) that X can throw at him thanks to the (nigh) invulnerability of the ToP. And it’s not NLF here as they have comparable APs.

      If ghosts have infinite stamina, then Link would have it too thanks to the Hero’s shade.

      Btw, Ganon can use Low-Godly even without ToP, but it works quite different than normal. I’m not sure if Link scales (most likely not), then again, the Hero’s shade is a ghost, but the wolf seems corporeal. Hmm... Just joking. </div>

      My issue with that is, how much is Ganondorf's power and how much is the Triforce of Power. For all we know, the invulnerability could come form Ganondorf's powers of darkness reason why he is weak to holy themed stuff as well. Saying Link also has invulnerability because he shares one of Ganon's power is stretching things. It would be different if it was confirmed in an official source that the Triforce of Power does grant said regeneration (be it a game or a guide).

      I dunno, is stated or shown that ghosts and such have unlimited stamina in the Zelda verse? (There are several games I still haven't played so I can be missing important stuff). Take in count when I mention X getting regen and limitless stamina is because the Mother Elf explicitely can grant both abilities.

      BOTW Ganon can regen but goes Jurassic Pork if he rushes it instead of healing himself slowly over time, that's what I got (and kind of regret, I wanted to play BOTW blind in the future) and the TOP essentially amplifies his abilities so the drawback is gone. That's what I understood.

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    • Also, C doesn’t just have to deal with Link’s healing, resistances, and invulnerability, but also his resurrection.

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    • How does his resurrection works?

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    • Several different potions that if Link drinks anytime beforehand activate when he dies.

      Fairies (of course)

      Mipha’s Grace

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    • Ah, the one-up likes. Say, I had taken this as an understood rule (to put it somehow) but Link doesn't carry infinite potions. The max number he has gotten in a game would be the limit (I know of 5, but could be more if he is shown carrying around more at once in other games). Dunno if in BotW it's different, but otherwise Link has to distribute the potions and such between healing, resurrection, buffs and invincibility. Aside that, it essentially extends the fight and it falls in what I said before, X has to keep it up until Link runs out of resources. Remember, X also has 4 healing tanks, a weapon tank (kinda redundant, but I guess it allows for a quick Nova Strike/X Drive recharge) and especially the One Up Booster, which increases his starting lives after continues from 2 to 4, and serves no porpouse whatsoever in this fight!

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    • Link’s profile (that I’m the primary editor for lol) implies that his amount of bottles is combined throughout the games.

      Also, one of the resurrection potions is from Zelda 1, where bottles aren’t necessarily an item. So even if that was the case, he’d still have one free space, for lack of a better term.

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    • Inconclusive FRA on both sides.

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    • There's also the fact that Link has stuff like the Four Sword, which means that  X would have to battle for enough time not only 1, but 4 Link with the same items, experience, skills, strenght and the fact they can think of their own, which means that every one of them can think of different strategies on their own, and eventually, one of those 4 will use either the One-Hit obliterator or ancient arrow.

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    • from what I see here, both characters can counter pretty much any skills from each other. However, link has a skill that would outweigh the fight and this skill is the one hit oblitarator. If X is get caught by this weapon everything ends for him, so I think that link has more chances to win this fight. Changing my vote to link.

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    • so now it's 6-6.

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    • Who's voting for who? Did you count my vote?

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    • ye

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    • @Orion: There is one drawback, though, two swings and needs to recharge having its power decreased to minimum for some moments, also it has the side effect of making Link killable in 1 hit by anything. It can backfire horribly. Consider also that most of X barriers damage enemies in range.

      Man, that's a tough one. X on his own is horribly outmatched against 4 Links. The thing that could help him though is using the Mother Elf's more broken abilities listed in his profile: forcefields that required 3 of the 4 guardians and Zero (who had surpassed greatly all of them and X himself) to break, massive power boosts to his stats, absorption of incoming projectiles turning them into health and constantly recharging his Giga Crush energy to use Nova Strike, X Drive and Giga Attacks (which fortunately make him invulnerable while they last) as much as possible. Perhaps the Hermes Armor invincibility to weaker attacks and quadruple charge speed increase would work nicely here, especially with the boosts of the Mother Elf and the much needed charge attacks

      And use cyber elf effects that Link doesn't resist  such as paralysis and debuffs (this last one though  is because I didn't see Link having an immunity in his profile, but wouldn't be surprised if he has counters), as well as using the Mother Elf as an active assist to even the ground with cover fire.

      Question: when cloning himself with the Four Sword, Link can change his blade to the Master Sword and keep the clones around, right? That's important.

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    • TartaChocholate wrote:
      Man, that's a tough one. X on his own is horribly outmatched against 4 Links. The thing that could help him though is using the Mother Elf's more broken abilities listed in his profile: forcefields that required 3 of the 4 guardians and Zero (who had surpassed greatly all of them and X himself) to break, massive power boosts to his stats, absorption of incoming projectiles turning them into health and constantly recharging his Giga Crush energy to use Nova Strike, X Drive and Giga Attacks (which fortunately make him invulnerable while they last) as much as possible. Perhaps the Hermes Armor invincibility to weaker attacks and quadruple charge speed increase would work nicely here, especially with the boosts of the Mother Elf and the much needed charge attacks

      And use cyber elf effects that Link doesn't resist  such as paralysis and debuffs (this last one though  is because I didn't see Link having an immunity in his profile, but wouldn't be surprised if he has counters), as well as using the Mother Elf as an active assist to even the ground with cover fire.

      Question: when cloning himself with the Four Sword, Link can change his blade to the Master Sword and keep the clones around, right? That's important.

      yes he can.

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    • Clones can also clone themselves, as the Hero’s Shade can clone himself on its own.

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    • The real cal howard wrote:
      Clones can also clone themselves, as the Hero’s Shade can clone himself on its own.

      This

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    • How so can the Clones do that? I recall, vaguely the Hero's Shade did something like that in a vision or something. How was it?

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    • @TartaChocholate



      but I'm taking into account what Chrisras said. Assuming one of the clones uses the one hit oblitarator, the others are still with their full health by what I understand. This puts X into serious disadvantages.

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    • I wanted Geo Stelar to fight Link...



      But X is fine. As long Zero isn't taking the spotlight again.

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    • TartaChocholate wrote: How so can the Clones do that? I recall, vaguely the Hero's Shade did something like that in a vision or something. How was it?

      Hero’s shade can clone himself very easily, and he can create two clones of himself. Basically, with the Four Sword, that’s fighting 12 Links. There’s technically also the fact that Link can resurrect himself to make things difficult, or even travel back in time for a bit if someone of the 12 gets killed.

      Also, the invulnerability thing is CLEARLY from the ToP, as in TP he gets “executed” by normal sages, right before dying gets/awakens the ToP, and now he’s invulnerable in game. And the only version of Ganon that doesn’t have it is the OoX one, who also doesn’t have the ToP.

      I’m not sure if Hero’s shade has infinite stamina, it mainly depends if this site considers ghosts have it or not.

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    • X FRA

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    • Voting Link FRA, high-diff

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    • Can´t Link just seal X?

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    • Technically yes, he can do that, too (if X doesn’t resist sealing)

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    • He doesnt.

      I dont think he even has any defenses against mind control, as he was going to be reprogrammed after being captured at the beggining of X3 if Zero didnt save him.

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    • @asuka that's never stated anywhere and Doppler didn't reprogram his mavericks, they just went Maverick due to the virus

      Anywho, it looks like it's 7-7 now, and this has gone on for a long thread. think we should call it inconclusive?

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    • Grace period

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    • @Violet

      I love Zero to death but I gotta admit he was overused on this site for a while.

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    • Well, he does have immunity to the Maverick virus, though that probably isn't immunity to mind manip. The thing is, X dosn't have a conventional mind, being a robot. Robots in MMX have souls (For some reason), but their minds are only compareable to humans, not actually human minds. They're still A.I. And X could just Mindhax, Soulhax, and Biohax Link with the mother elf. And if the Manga is used for X as well as the games, Link also has High-Mid regen to deal with unless he uses Light Arrows or the Master Sword, basically making a large amount of Link's arsenal MUCH less useful.

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    • Except that Link resists the first two, and maybe the third one as well.

      And the MS is his main weapon, so regen isn't such a big problem.

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    • Resistance isn't immunity, like X has to Link's mindhax due to not having a conventional mind. Plus in order to damage X for any amount of time (Once again, only if the Manga is used) he'd need to use the Master Sword or Light Arrows. This makes an overwhelming amount of his arsenal useless.

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    • Link does't mindhax (unless you're referring to the dominion rod).

      And resistance is enough to null X's hax if it's not on Link's level.

      RW, sealing, conceptual manip, sealing and BFR still work just fine. 

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    • The Mother Elf has Mind, Soul and Bio hax that took down the Maverik Virus, witch is 4-B.

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    • Bio is useless as Link is a ghost.

      The power of soul and mind hax depends on the number of people affected.

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    • Mother Elf was able to erradicate the Sigma virus

      Sigma virus affected the whole planet in x5 and the new generation of reploids in x8

      and it was supposed to be used on a large scale,so maybe planetary at maximum

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    • Even without it, I don't know if Link is powerful enough to break the Mother Elf's barriers, witch took the combined efforts of 4 characters (Three guardians and Zero) to break. The Hadoken and Shoryuken would likely one shot Link if he wasn't able to damage X or dodge them in time (Though I'll admit either one of those outcomes is likely). Not to mention, Link only has RESISTANCE to time manip. Since X can stop time indefinatly thanks to the Ultimate Armor, Link would at least be slowed.

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    • Link can move in time stops.

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    • That's what I said, He only has resistance. He would at least be slowed.

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    • He was in a time stop and he wasn’t slowed.

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    • The original post should list who voted for who to avoid confusions.

      I think is an stretch to call the invulnerability a TOP ability and just give it to Link as well. The Sages were not normal by any stretch of the word, the Sword of the Six Sages was especifically forged to execute Ganondorf meaning he wasn't just stabbed and killed with a normal blade, the sword was meant to counter his powers. The Triforce of Power could easily just been a sudden Power Boost that allowed him to survive by surpassing the properties of the sword.

      Ghosts having unlimited stamina is just an assumption unless there is evidence or statements of the contrary.

      Going back in time wouldn't just reset the fight? He needs to play the ocarina or the harp to do so, as well, that can get interrupted if Link tries to do so in a stage where he's at disadvantage.

      I also feel people are overlooking stuff that was brought as well: Link can get one shotted in two ways as well; Absolute Zero and Black Holes. If X is being faced by several Links it's a pretty convincing incentive to start using AoE attacks and invulnerability much more quickly, and when trying out weapons until finding what works best is one of X basic tactics. TartaChocholate already mentioned the many shapes and forms his Absolute Zero attacks can take (barrier that freezes when someone gets too close, normal shots, traps that remain on the terrain, a shield, a rain of icicles, ground projectiles and mid range front and back ice bursts, icicles that are shot in several directions when X is simply dashing around) and how gravity attacks affect a large AoE (the normal shots of gravity well are also big AoE).

      X is more mobile and agile than Link while being invulnerable, intangible and invisible while dashing around, and spamming Nova Strikes to go through. (He can do that with the X4-6 ultimate armor or the Mother Elf restoring his reserves), this is much easier to pull with the Mother Elf actively protecting and covering X. Hitting X is a lot harder than it seems.

      Being overwhelmed in numbers will mean X will play it more defensively than before and just, for the lack of a better word GTF away from the Links and just use safe attacks. Which is possible with the Mother Elf's assistance that creates barriers and blocks projectiles while X focuses on running and countering.

      I agree with Tarta and TrifocePower as well, an immunity means that he won't get affected unless shown otherwise. If Link can move through frozen time and has resisted mind attacks we have to take it X can't use that front.

      And if Link can use all the bottles he has gotten, can't X use every Sub Tank he has gotten, life restoring Cyber Elf effects and such? Even if still less than Link.

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    • Asuka should say how Link would be able to seal X, or somebody else should. Otherwise, Asuka's vote shouldn't be counted.

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    • ToP is clearly the reason Ganon has his invulnerability. While the sages were not normal people, they couldn’t kill Ganon after he got the ToP, but they almost did it when he hadn’t it. OoX and BOTW don’t have invulnerability and they’re the only known version of Ganon that don’t have the ToP (yes, Calamity Ganon doesn’t have it, but he’s still weak to the MS). Maybe I remember wrong, but there was an official statement of that.

      I was asking if ghosts in general had infinite stamina or not. I don’t know if they have it or not.

      He can also travel in time via Four Sword or just abuse his invincibility barriers.

      Problem is that Link would most likely use the right item before X via his information analysis, and when he discovers what X can do, his weaknesses etc., Link would most likely pull out the right item before.

      Link can be invulnerable, invisible and intangible, too. Also, Link can see invisible beings and attack intangibles, so it’s a bit useless. If Nova’s strikes are energy projectiles, Link can use the reflect spell (Zelda II), to reflect every attack.

      If X goes too far away, Link would use the item with more range he has, the TF. And X is screwed if Link does it (RW and conceptual manipulation).

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    • The Smashor wrote: Asuka should say how Link would be able to seal X, or somebody else should. Otherwise, Asuka's vote shouldn't be counted.

      Master Sword. That’s where half of Link’s good hax come from. Or Four Sword as well.

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    • Why would X go too far away?

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    • “Being overwhelmed in numbers will mean X will play it more defensively than before and just, for the lack of a better word GTF away from the Links and just use safe attacks. Which is possible with the Mother Elf's assistance that creates barriers and blocks projectiles while X focuses on running and countering.”

      I was countering his point.

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    • Wait, can´t Link just WISH X away?

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    • He can and probably will.

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    • Why the hell didnt Ganon wish Link dead in A Link to The Past?

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    • MS resists TF

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    • Huh, didnt know that.



      But yeah, can X even do anything about Link wishing him away?

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    • From what I see in his page, not. Even if Link didn’t lead with it, he’d eventually use it.

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    • TriforcePower1 wrote: MS resists TF

      When was this established?

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    • It was the second part of the quite controversial thread I made. Pretty much everyone agreed on the second part.

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    • I mean asuka is right, x don't resist sealing

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    • ZephyrosOmega wrote:
      I mean asuka is right, x don't resist sealing

      And link doesn´t resist absolute zero and no one is saying "x via absolute zero"

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    • Kazuma kuwabara wrote:
      ZephyrosOmega wrote:
      I mean asuka is right, x don't resist sealing
      And link doesn´t resist absolute zero and no one is saying "x via absolute zero"

      Touche.

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    • Shouldn't this match just be considered Inconclusive?

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    • Assuming Link can’t just wish away Absolute Zero ovo

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    • Well it's 7 votes each so after the grace period it should be inconclusive.

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    • DarkDragonMedeus wrote:
      Shouldn't this match just be considered Inconclusive?

      we have to wait 24 hours for the grace period to consider this inconclusive

      no?

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    • Link has two methods X has no way to get out of in any way (sealing and wishing) and X only has absolute zero. And that attack is far less reliable than literally thinking your opponent away

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    • Asuka the Demonic Empress wrote:
      Link has two methods X has no way to get out of in any way (sealing and wishing) and X only has absolute zero. And that attack is far less reliable than literally thinking your opponent away

      If link can seal an opponent in the master sword with a thought tell me how he lost againts akron or tied with bayonetta

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    • Kazuma kuwabara wrote:
      Asuka the Demonic Empress wrote:
      Link has two methods X has no way to get out of in any way (sealing and wishing) and X only has absolute zero. And that attack is far less reliable than literally thinking your opponent away
      If link can seal an opponent in the master sword with a thought tell me how he lost againts akron or tied with bayonetta

      when did this happen? it isn't listed on his profile

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    • Zephyros*

      Those battles was in the past when Link was high 4-C,Akron won because he can remove all link items and bayonetta tied because she can fight in purgatorio AKA another dimension

      but if link just need to wish to win ,how he could lost?

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    • Kazuma kuwabara wrote:
      Zephyros*

      Those battles was in the past when Link was high 4-C,Akron won because he can remove all link items and bayonetta tied because she can fight in purgatorio AKA another dimension

      but if link just need to wish to win ,how he could lost?

      Well there you go. Link wasn't solar system and both of them had ways of bypassing the triforce's power.

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    • The real cal howard wrote:
      Yeah. I brought that up. Unlike Link, X has to resort to hax to bring Link down quickly due to that. X has dozens upon dozens of weapons. By the time he gets one that’ll actually be able to destroy Link, or trying to see if there’s any opening to hurt Link when there isn’t one, Link’ll get his winning strikes in.

      About the regeneration, isn’t it a game composite X? Because Link is solely game composite, and X only has useful regen in the manga. Link doesn’t get manga feats, otherwise he’d be 4-A with a Low 2-C Fierce Deity Mask.

      Hey so what do you mean 4-A with a low 2-C fierce deity mask!?

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    • Zephyros*

      I revised both profiles,Akron has resistance to reality warping so the triforce is useless

      bayonetta doesn´t have resistance to reality warping or conceptual manipulation and i have to leave for now . Goodbye

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    • what the fuck does that have to do with anything

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    • Kazuma kuwabara wrote:
      Zephyros*

      I revised both profiles,Akron has resistance to reality warping so the triforce is useless

      bayonetta doesn´t have resistance to reality warping or conceptual manipulation and i have to leave for now . Goodbye

      X doesn't either



      bye i guess

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    • The sacred realm has several stars in the manga, and Majora has a Low 2-C feat as well (created time)

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    • it did?

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    • I doubt that's a Low 2-C feat, that's more so Pocket Reality Feat. Creating/Destroying the Hyperbolic Time Chamber is a 5-A (feat 100x baseline 5-B) rather than a Low 2-C feat.

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    • TriforcePower1 wrote: and Majora has a Low 2-C feat as well (created time)

      High 3-A, assuming its empty universe was a complete universe.

      Though that feat and story are the epitome of non-canon.

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    • yall, we're getting off topic here

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    • I'm just waiting for Grace Period to end, I think we got like less than 4 hours to go.

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    • Seems inconclusive. X tries to dodge 12 Links for days until something happends.

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    • ah, true.



      well while we wait, anyone got ideas for other comp!link matches?

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    • Piggybacking off of Azzy, the only potentially canon manga is the Skyward Sword prequel manga, given that it was included in the Hyrule Historia.

      And the only reason that Bunny Link uses a non-canon manga photo is that it’s much better than the alternative canon sprite art.

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    • TBH there should be a Link page specifically for the manga. If CDI link gets a page then manga link should too.

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    • ZephyrosOmega wrote:
      ah, true.


      well while we wait, anyone got ideas for other comp!link matches?

      I would like to make Sigma vs Ganondorf,but ganon is impossible to beat phisically for his regeneration and sigma can only try to possess him,something i believe is impossible if ganondorf just BRF him or just possess him

      So probably is better to use Sigma againts Link

      Or ultron

      And probably Kratos because is like walking hax vs walking hax

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    • Kazuma kuwabara wrote:
      ZephyrosOmega wrote:
      ah, true.


      well while we wait, anyone got ideas for other comp!link matches?

      I would like to make Sigma vs Ganondorf,but ganon is impossible to beat phisically for his regeneration and sigma can only try to possess him,something i believe is impossible if ganondorf just BRF him or just possess him

      So probably is better to use Sigma againts Link

      Or ultron

      And probably Kratos because is like walking hax vs walking hax

      Doesn't link blink and destroy kratos tho

      Ultron and Sigma is interesting tho

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    • Kratos can resurrect no?

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    • Kazuma kuwabara wrote:
      Kratos can resurrect no?

      Alright, i'll make the thread. let's find out.

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    • Grace period over, this is inconclusive.

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    • Asuka: X also has the Black Holes (which are huge AoE effect reason why I insist on their importance), his Absolute Zero attacks also take many, many forms, reasons why are so crucial.

      @Triforce: I'll have to agree with Toscanito in a way. Why forge a sword specifically to hurt someone if said person was killable by any means? It can be easily taken as the Triforce of Power just made Ganondorf's resistances much higher and the Sages just didn't have enough power to counter it, with their method being effective on paper, but falling short. If you have a source of the contrary  please let me know, it will clear this up.

      Link doesn't list reality warping and wishing in his profile. That probably should be added o or make a CRT to discuss about it. Though I kinda have my doubts about it given always has the Triforce for such a limited time and to how extent he uses it is blurry to put it somehow.

      I also mentioned invincibility which he gets from the Hyper Dash from Xtreme2 (the GBC game), which lets just slip through enemies and attacks. The Nova Strike isn't a projectile, it's a move where X jumps and flies at the enemy causing a lot of damage. A notable aspect is that X is completely invincible when using it, even going through Zero's Genmu Zero, which is a One Hit Kill on X otherwise.  Said attack can 1 or 2 shot bosses on X8 and, while weaker in previous games it can be used infinitely by the Ultimate Armor. Composite X could use the strong version constantly thanks to the Mother Elf recharging.

      I guess when it was said X running off it was more like keeping distance more than ever white spamming attacks.

      I wouldn't underestimate X long ranged combate. It was already argued that he can defend himself from most if not all of Link's long ranged arsenal, and with the Mother Elf his range increases to plantetary and stuff. The issue is the many Links. Also X doesn't really need canning abilities or technologies, his experience and quick thingking for his weapons is as good as Link, it's not just his scanning and such. And the Mothe Elf protects X from proyectiles and has powerful battierst to help this defensive strategy, If anything, by this point he can abuse invulnerability, barriers and such, his charge attacks can be speed his charge attack by x16 with all parts.

      Buuuut, things are done now.  The grace peroid it over and both are tied with votes and one inconclusive and the grace periode is vore. So face to save it's inconslusive. Alas, this marks the end of the the legendary duel between before the Knight in Blue and the Hero of Hyle/Time/Ourage/Men/Twilight/etc...

      Sorry I have a hell of a headchache to I am a bit slwly,

      TLDR: We could keep going with both character X, but they are tied and the grace priod is over so we should it inconclusive. I had a lot of fun, i was one hell of a fight.

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    • My bad, my bad, my reply came to late. I agree, it's incoclusive.  Both fought bravely and both display of powerful they are and how treat heroes they are. Now good gentlelen, shake handes after a great fight XD.

      I had a lot of fun, personally. Especially given no hostility or anything, just everyone doing the best for their champions.

      We should tell a mod to close this this thread. Perhaps DarkDragonMedeus  can do it.

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    • Yeah. Either one could win, frankly.

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