Kefla due to a massive AP advantage. I know Hit has crazy techniques, but if an extremely supressed Jiren can break out of a time cage and Blue Goku can break out of Time Skip, Kefla in SSJ should be able to as well. As for insta-kill techniques, Kefla should be a lot faster, and therefore able to dodge them. Also, something like the one kick that knocked out SSJB KKx20 Goku should be enough to kill someone far more than 20x weaker. I'm not saying it's definie, but I give the edge to Kefla. Also, isn't SSJB Goku (post ultra-instinct sign) Low 2-C?
Jiren had Low-Mid Regen which is the reason he wasn't affected from Hit's punch. Also he telikinetically stopped Hit from knocking him off the arena while frozen in the time-cage. Kefla has no countermeasures for these techniques. She's a simple brawler
JackJoyce wrote: Previous thread was closed unfairly. AP means nothing here when he can easily phase through all of Kefla's attacks & make a hole in her chest. Or put her in a time-cage & finish her off
AP means everything when it becomes the sole reason so that he can't easily phase through Kefla's attacks, can't make a hole in her chest, neither put her in a time cage nor finish her off.
JackJoyce wrote: Jiren had Low-Mid Regen which is the reason he wasn't affected from Hit's punch. Also he telikinetically stopped Hit from knocking him off the arena while frozen in the time-cage. Kefla has no countermeasures for these techniques. She's a simple brawler
Kalifa gets my vote since she should be able to break of his time stop easily compared to SSB goku and her huge ap advantage. She also should have knowledge on his skills since they are from the same universe and on the same time as well
Hit takes this. Time stop, intangible/invisible attacks that ignore durability, and Time Cage.
Kefla wouldn't know shit about Hit's powers beyond what Kale and Caulifla saw him do in the ToP--and Kale and Caulifla weren't present when Hit became intangible in an attempt to knock Dyspo off the stage, nor were they present/watching when Hit used his intangible ki blast on Jiren. She'd only know about the Time Cage and Time Skip/Stop.
Kefla does not have Resistance to Time Manipulation, nor Precognition on her profile, which is what enabled Goku, who is a much better, more experienced martial artist, to "break out of" Hit's Time Manipulation. Hit also leads with Time Stop/Time Skip in every fight he's been in.
The only reason Dyspo was able to use his speed to counter Hit was due to the fact that he could hear when Hit tensed up to use his Time Skip. Kefla doesn't have this advantage. So unless she blitzes immediately (is speed even equalized for this match?), Hit can and will kill her.
"Kefla wouldn't know shit about Hit's powers beyond what Kale and Caulifla saw him do in the ToP--and Kale and Caulifla weren't present when Hit became intangible in an attempt to knock Dyspo off the stage, nor were they present/watching when Hit used his intangible ki blast on Jiren. She'd only know about the Time Cage and Time Skip/Stop."
GyroNutz wrote: "Kefla wouldn't know shit about Hit's powers beyond what Kale and Caulifla saw him do in the ToP--and Kale and Caulifla weren't present when Hit became intangible in an attempt to knock Dyspo off the stage, nor were they present/watching when Hit used his intangible ki blast on Jiren. She'd only know about the Time Cage and Time Skip/Stop."
Hit's timeskip works on raw power, no special skill and technique.
Also Goku smashed through Hit's dimension with a Kahemahameha. Jiren did that as well with a simple punch.
And yes, A>B>C does apply here. Why? Because what Goku used is no special time/space breaking technique, no unique physiology, nothing. Hit was simply weaker than Goku and Goku's raw power overwhelmed said hax. Kelfa's raw power was casually above goku's at his strongest when Hit was somewhere between SSG and SSB during the fight with Dyspo, and higher against Jiren, but not by much. Heck, Hit's power actually can'tincrease all at onceand guess what? Kefla, who knows Hit's technique and has Caulfila's high adaptability (see how quickly she closed her gap with Goku in Martial Arts skills), hightened, would make mince meat out of the purple assassin quicker than your mistaken opinions
...Except Goku's resistance to Hit's time stop was solely based on his precognitive abilities in calculating where Hit was going to strike. Kefla has none of that. Read Goku's profile again before assuming that raw power alone is what broke through the Time Stop:
A>B>C doesn't apply when you're dealing with hax. Kefla has no showings of resisting Time Stop like Goku and Jiren. Hit takes this with mid-high difficulty. Unless you can show a scan of Kefla resisting, you can't upscale resistances to hax.
Before you say "but Kefla can just precog like Goku", how, again? Goku has way more combat experience, and that was pretty clear in all of his fights with Caulifla and Kale. All Kefla has going for her is power, and against Hit, that isn't enough. There's no statements of Kefla's power surpassing time like Jiren has, or anything like that. To assume she can pull off the same resistances is nothing but wank, whereas Hit has multiple options to kill her, most notably with his durability-negating intangible attacks.
Xantospoc wrote: LOL Resistance to Time stop is separated. She won't get frozen into the first place.
Also, yes, Caulfila has shown to be able to adapt very quickly.
Again, she stomps
Yes, she will. She has no resistance to it, and Hit canonicallyleads with Time Stop. Speed is equalized, and Kefla doesn't possess Dyspo's hearing or speed amps, so there's no way she can blitz him before it happens.
Xantospoc wrote: But it is how it works! People who are above Hit surpass his Time Stop. Which is why he never used it against Goku in his rematch
Except that Goku had already displayed a resistance to it, ergo it was a worthless strategy. Now you're using a proof of example fallacy. Jiren had clearly beaten Goku, meaning Jiren had already displayed the strength necessary to beat Time Stop by your logic, but Hit tried to use Time Stop on him anyway.
JackJoyce wrote: He doesn't? It is removed from his profile dunno why
Heck, I did the revision thread that involved that very topic.
Jiren having precog came from that scene of him not dodging the materials that Liquir sent flying when repairing the arena. However, we never get another moment like that or any elboration on that scene. So it was ruled as just fan theory.
...Hit. Goku was fighting at little to no stamina for that entire fight yet he fought SS Kefla with Blue. If Goku had the stamina to properly wield Blue Kaio-Ken, he would have curbstomped her with ease. Hit to contrast managed to adapt from a Blue Goku to tanking and damaging a X10 Blue Goku over the course of a single fight. Hit also (just before this) fought Jiren (who was fighting Post-UIO Goku) and managed to tank many blows and was the first person other than UIO Goku to score a direct blow against Jiren. Contrast with Kefla who was trashed every step of the way by UIO Goku and was only capable of blitzing a Base God Goku who had little to no stamina.
If we go based on power scaling, we can probably assume her mults are still 50x and 100x for her power-up forms which means SS2 Kefla > SS Kefla > Blue Goku at minimal power > Base Kefla > Base God Goku fighting at minimal power (He only just got the stamina back to go God). Based upon this scaling, X3 Minimal Goku Blue should be roughly on a similar level to SS2 Kefla.
So a full power, non-damaged Hit (Post-Jiren adaption) vs SS2 Kefla...? Yeah this is a stomp in Hit's favour. This isn't even including the fact that Kale is an awful fighter and that while Caulifa is a prodigy...she was still struggling to beat a minimal power base Goku with Super Saiyan 2! Compare that to freaking Hit who is one of the most skilled fighters in the entire series who could fight people several times his power with raw technique...I don't see how an unrefined SS2 Kefla who failed to defeat UIO Goku could defeat a full power post-Jiren Hit.