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Warren Valion

aka Daniele

  • I live in the shadows of The Consciousness.
  • I was born on July 31
  • My occupation is Student
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  • Warren Valion wrote:

    BleedingPeach wrote:
    Um... Warren you could have posted that in my wall. You believe that The Maker is weaker than that nazi? Belive what you want, I'm not your owner. If you felt offended by my statement, didn't want to do that.

    I have made no posts on your wall. And I believe what I believe based on factual evidence and logical interpretations.

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    You base in factual evidence. Please grant me some of that then. I want to understand because to you if it's not that Nazi, Mercurius, the french gal or Ren everything else is baseline. Also... you didn't read The Maker's blog. If I'm wrong let's just talk about the things that you think that makes it weaker.

    My apologies if you think that I was being harsh in the Ren vs Battler thread. I didn't want to offend you in any meaning

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    • You edited that. 

      Here's the original: 

      "BleedingPeach wrote:
      Um... Warren you have posted that in my wall. You believe that The Maker is weaker than that nazi? Belive what you want, I'm not your owner. If you felt offended by my statement, didn't want to do that.

      Now... Are talking about the Beatrice that is 1-A?"

      And why would I post this on your wall when the reason for my post was to answer ALRF's question?

      "You base in factual evidence. Please grant me some of that then. I want to understand because to you if it's not that Nazi, Mercurius, the french gal or Ren everything else is baseline. Also... you didn't read The Maker's blog. If I'm wrong let's just talk about the things that you think that makes it weaker."

      I have explained to you the nature of Taikyoku multiple times.

      How the difference between one Taikyoku is equivalent to the level of transcendence in 1-A terms.

      And a difference of transcendence is similar in nature to existing on a higher dimensional level, the difference being scale. The lower dimensional being can not affect the higher dimensional one, and the being with a lower level of transcendence cannot affect the being with a higher level of transcendence. 

      That's how 1-A battles work.

      Here's a big quote from the Reinhard thread that shows I explained the nature of Taikyoku: 

      "I believe Kamunagara brings up a fair point. Each cosmos is an undefinably greater than the last. Each creation in the infinite cosmoses that are created is not infinitely greater or transcendent of the previous creations, just an indeterminately larger and greater. 

      I'll explain using Taikyoku values because of their simplistic way of measuring transcendence.

      A difference of one Taikyoku value is a difference of transcendence. A person with a Taikyoku value of 2 transcends a person with a value of 1. It is as simple as that.

      Infinite Transcendence would be like this:

      1--oo   One to Infinity.

      If each creation is an unknowable amount greater than the last then it would be something along the lines of this:

      1.1, 1.01, 1.001, 1.0001, ..., 2.0   One to Two.

      It's not that each Cosmos is transcendent of one another, it that with there being an infinite hierarchy of larger and larger cosmoses, it would equal a level of transcendence, not an infinite amount of them. 

      What makes it an infinite transcendence?"

      And I did read the Star Maker's blog. 

      The Star Maker does not have infinite transcendence above baseline 1-A. In said blog, the infinite hierarchy is stated to be like:

      "Every cosmos that I had hitherto observed now turned out to be a single example of a myriad-fold class, like a biological species, or the class of all the atoms of a single element. The internal life of each “atomic” cosmos had seemingly the same kind of relevance (and the same kind of irrelevance) to the life of the ultimate cosmos as the events within a brain cell, or in one of its atoms, to the life of a human mind." 

      The bolded statement supports my understanding.

      Each cosmos gets undefinably greater and more complex, and the difference between the Infinite Hierarchy to the Ultimate Cosmos is seemingly comparable (via using similar wording) to the difference between the Creative Mode and the Ultimate Spirit, as shown with this quote, "an atom of its infinite potentiality".

      And the difference that is insinuated is a single difference of transcendence above baseline 1-A, not an infinite difference.

      My final statement on the matter will be something I said in the Reinhard thread, so here:

      "If you think that The Ultimate Spirit beat Reinhard, you got to prove it.

      The Infinite Hierarchy of Cosmoses that The Creative Mode made would be equivalent to one level of transcendence as it is infinite, which I mentioned in my large post above.

      The Ultimate Cosmos, at most, would be another level of transcendence above the Infinite Hierarchy of Cosmoses, and the Creative Mode, at most, would be another level above the Ultimate Cosmos. 

      And the Ultimate Spirit is likely another level of transcendence above the Creative Mode."

      The Star Maker at his best is solely a handful of levels of transcendence above baseline 1-A.

      The Infinite Hierarchy starts at baseline 1-A to a single level of transcendence above it. The Ultimate Cosmos is likely another level higher. The Creative Mode is possibly a level higher than the Ultimate Cosmos, its greatest creation. And the Ultimate Spirit seems to be a level higher than the Creative Mode. 

      All in all, the Star Maker is only about 4 or 5 levels of transcendence above baseline 1-A, which is strong no doubt. However, it is not strong enough to contend with Reinhard's 80 or 90 levels of transcendence above baseline 1-A, and especially not strong enough to Yato's 100 levels of transcendence above baseline 1-A.

      That's why Reinhard and Yato stomp the Star Maker.

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    • Warren, if you think that's the correct way then I ask you to give your opinion here .

      BTW, my phone just skip that "could" in the thread of Ren vs Battler, that's what I wanted to say in my post.YOU ARE NOT my enemy. Just give me more consistent arguments if you want to be right. My apologies if I offended you in the thread of The Maker vs the nazi.

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  • The Moderator blocked my thread, so should we continue our debate, here?

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    Wokistan
    Wokistan closed this thread because:
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    19:37, November 25, 2018
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    • Why do I have to repeat myself constantly?

      Made up buzzwords like Megaversal or Metaversal are not used on the wiki. If you are not going to stop using them then just leave.

      The cosmology for Shinza Bansho was founded on in Kajiri Kamui Kagura, which is a game only released in Japan and is not translated. I don't possess the game nor scans of it. If you want scans, then go bother a Shinza Bansho fan that reads Japanese.

      I've explained the cosmology and how that relates to the tiering of the wiki numerous times, you just don't want to listen. All the Hadou and Gudou gods feats of affecting outerversal things/beings are the fights between said gods within the series. The lore is what pushes the series from being just higher dimensional to something beyond dimensional.

      You don't know what Outerversal means. Being Outerversal does not mean that one transcends the dimensions of the entirety of the multiverse. That just means that they exist in a dimension higher than the multiverse.

      Being Outerversal means that dimensions as a concept are literally nothing to you. Whether it is one dimension, or two, or three, or twenty-six, or an infinite amount. Something as limiting as dimensions, whether it be a finite amount or an infinite amount, is nothing to a being that conceptually transcends all forms of space, time, duality, dimensions, et cetera. An outerversal being. 

      To be considered outerversal, you need numerous statements and/or feats dictating that such a being transcends all forms of space, time, duality, dimensions, et cetera. Not say something stupid like he "transcends the universe."

      Here is the Outerverse page. Read it. Learn it. Love it. 



      This will be the last time I respond. If you heavily disagree with the way the wiki understands Dimensions, dimensional tiering, outerverses, and/or franchise/character tier placements. 

      THEN EITHER MAKE THE FUCKING CRTs ALREADY OR LEAVE VS BATTLE WIKI!

      There are rules here and they are to be followed. If you don't like them, then you can make a proposal to change them which is voted on by the majority. That's how things are done on the wiki, if you don't like that or don't want to do that, then just leave.

      Anyway, please leave my wall, I'm tired from debating with you - it's like talking to a wall.

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    • You don't need to transcend infinite dimensions. You need to transcend the concept of dimensions. Big difference. Anyways, Warren seems to want this closed, so I'll do that.

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  • Bro, when I was on Steam searching up Dies Irae, when I checked for reviews, yours was the first one to show up. What a coincidence!

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    • Song of the Witch even references Spinne as a "neighborhood spiderman" (It was Rusalka and Riza imagination going wild)

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    • ALRF wrote: Song of the Witch even references Spinne as a "neighborhood spiderman" (It was Rusalka and Riza imagination going wild)

      it was one funny imagination tbh lmfao

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  • Thank you for this time of entertaining, Warrent. Sometimes i think this page is just filled with a bunch of weaboos and stuff, but this type of debating makes me hooked, and it improves my english. Thank you.

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  • @Warren Valion, in your CRT Power Modification for Kisuke Urahara, you likely need staff's inputs (preferably purple or green colored) for the additions.

    Here are the current available staffs: Recent changes

    Hope this help!

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  • Lol thanks for fixing those links cause I been meaning to ask about them for maybe months or a year but never got around to them. Guess people hardly visited that page

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  • I don't know if you know about this but if you wish to ask more questions about the Tiering System when it comes to Original or Fanfictional stories you can also ask here:http://fcoc-vs-battles.wikia.com/wiki/Special:WikiActivity?useskin=oasis


    It is a sister wiki of sorts of Vs Battles Wiki specifically based on creating your own character profiles but you can also ask questions concerning how to justify their tiers.

    Hope it helps.

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