Honestly the only thing supporting Vegito being stronger, but the reason why it supposedly doesn't count? well unless we want infinite speed everyone, and they're running off advanced time, it can't be used to counter that.
Hi! Could you please post the following post in the staff thread? If I could then I would post it but I can not...
SSJRyu1 wrote: I'll say this. Blue form >>> SSJ2 berserker form in terms of increase. We know this since Kefla wants to obtain Blue, and even SSJ3, meaning even SSJ3 is likely >= SSJ2 berserker. Also we see SSJG Goku can stomp SSJ2 Caulifla and Berserker Kale, despite them being around SSJ2 Goku's level after fighting for a bit, so SSJG is definatly way above either form in terms of increase from base. So we know Blue is a much larger increase than SSJ2 Berserker.
Now onto the actual feats, Vegito > Fusion Zamasu (monster form) > Fusion Zamasu > SSJB Kaioken X10 Goku. The degree of this is unkown in anime. The manga places Vegito as perhaps stronger than beerus, but without that we have much less to go on for scaling here. Kefla can at least threaten to hurt UI Goku and is said to be around his initial UI in terms of power so she scales to him in power.
In the end scaling wise vegito should be logically strogner due to form and Goku and Vegeta being strogner than Kale/Caulifla, even if Goku and Vegeta were 10X as weak in base back in the balck arc they still wouldnt be infinitly weaker than Kale and Caulifla now, so the increase in power wouldn't account for a tier gap that large. So logic wise they should scale.
My post on upgrading Vegetto and Zamasu was rejected despite no reason being given. An upgrade to those two is REQUIRED after episode 116 imo and not doing so it blatantly being ignorant. So why was it rejected?
Promestein wrote: That's not what you should do. If you just keep on making new threads until it goes through you're gonna get blocked.
With how the staff topic is going I pretty have no choice but to make a new topic anyway. I am NOT letting this slide. This is getting ridiculous how much people are in denial about Vegetto's strength.
Terms like "utter lunacy" can displease the others during and argument and upser them. This will end by turning the civil argument you were having into a flamewar. The rest its okay, just try to avoid expressions like those.
but on the topic of that thread.
I always thought personally a good common ground on both sides would just be two keys having both, but that would require way too much work on here to not make it worth it.
And generally speaking, some villains in final fantasy have story driven resistances via story explaination like Sephiroth.
Others like Kuja are more amibigious.
But I always thought generally speaking, it is a better idea to consider resistances in verse and game to be resistances in a matchup.
Think it for pokemon, final fantasy, persona and smt, I wouldnt think otherwise here.
(Btw posting here just in case that one is staff only, most of who commented was staff so I left lul)