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Monarch Laciel

aka the Zeroth

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  • I live in the Zeroth Reality
  • My occupation is theoretical omnipotent / meme maker (aren't they the same thing?)
  • I am Male
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  • Hey man, I really enjoyed your publication on Zeroth. I would like to know a few things



    1 - So Zeroth is "real" (if that concept is valid)?



    2-What did you mean about zeroth being "theoretical"?



    3. Zeroth is beyond scientific evidence, science, scientific method, understanding, conception, logic, reason, faith, belief, perception, mind, philosophy, words, language, concepts, and religion. Observation, measurement, instruments and everything else? But indenpendente it all it's real?

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    • First, good to hear someone likes it. Always nice.

      1 - The Zeroth is "real" as far as that concept can be applied to it. Which it really can't, because the Zeroth is the source of existence and non-existence both, and was "there" before them. It is "real". But it also isn't real. Being an omnipotent being that both contains everything and is the source of everything, it simultaneously contains the qualities of being "real" and being "not real". But it is also beyond those labels and restrictions. If that is hard to get your head around, good, it's intentional.

      2 - It's descibred as theoretical because it isn't actually clear if it exists or not for most of the series. It's theorised by philosophical Hallows to be the source of Apeiron that they draw on, and that acts as the "life source" of everything, including living things, dead things, inanimate objects, concepts, dimensions, causality and even non-existence itself. Near the end of the series when the characters ascend to the Ur-Reality and learn a bit more about the cosmological lore of the world, it is revealed that the Zeroth does in fact exist, but it is still never revealed whether or not it is actually sentient and alive, or just some kind of non-sentient highest plane of reality that everything else was simply generated from like mass generates gravity.

      3 - It is essentially the first, highest level of reality from which everything else stems. The Zeroth is truly boundless, and contains everything. It is free from all restrictions. It is both powerless and all-powerful. It is nothing and everything. It is living and dead. To use the example of the omnipotent rock paradox, it contains both the quality of being "unable to pick up the rock that cannot be lifted" and also the quality of being "able to pick up the rock that cannot be lifted". Even the name of "The Zeroth" is a restriction, a boundary, which it is free from, so even describing it like I have is in essence a restriction that does not apply to it.

      It's as close as I can get to writing an omnipotent creature as I can.

      4 - Why are you asking this here instead of on my wall on the other wiki?

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    • 2 - Although, fun fact - there are a few hints implying that certain minor characters throughout the series are actually avatars of the Zeroth, implying it is in fact sentient.

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  • Thanks for your effort in the Ainz vs Gal thread, but it seems they dont care about reasoning.

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  • Perhaps, Ghost Rider vs Scathatch peaks your interest.

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    • Oh, and if by "destroy reality" you mean destroy space-time (even infinite parallel worlds), that won't work either, seeing as he has backups existing outside that

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    • [...Who know? Well, there's still the "weird-gularity" idea though.]

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  • I'm asking this out of curiosity more than anything else, but I've seen you in at least five different Dresden-related VS threads and you seem to be one of the only people here who knows a good deal about the character and his verse. I figured it'd at least have a passing mention in that section.

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  • You're a fan of Sakura Matou.

    Perhaps you'd like a vote on Sakura vs Garou.

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  • Could you possibly vote on my Jin Mo-Ri vs Aqua thread?

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  • I wanna know Rein's, BB's, and Breinhard's reaction to Rein losing to Lavos ovo.

    (I don't mind anyone else jumping in ovo)

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  • I just noticed on thing that i forgot...remember you said ruler will give Lancer of the first war a GoB but i'm curious what is inside that GoB??? Idk for story things just thinking

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