I have just discovered something extremely important! about Tau Star system, let me explain.
Tau Star system is a galaxy but it is described by pluto as another space time , Moreover it is said that it is a Universe (only once), maybe the dimension has a Universal size and being another continium space time (that would probably not change the standards apart from making Saturn a 4D being), what do you think?
DarkLK wrote: I do not think there is clear evidence here. Although perhaps this is so. But in this case it seems more like a paradox effect than pure power.
It leans more toward the Crystals causing some sort of explosion in Kodansha. Demande is bragging about the Crystal's power itself before Pluto claims it would destroy the universe.
I do need to ask though, and I'm really sorry to trouble you again. If you have the japanese page for this? I don't know how to write out kanji, but If you could post the kanji of the bubble where it says "A corner of space-time that Wiseman controls." Then I should be able to translate it.
Hum... So, can she match against a "Law" that consumes everything to create an endless war and is nine "inifinities" above something that is the "core" of dimensionslity and dimensionless space? Basically, that's Reinhard.
Well, there is ordinary multiverse, then additional dimensions, then realm without time, place and coordinates, then some fundamental laws at the external level, then some hierarchy of incomprehensible and indescribable concepts, and then there should be Bern's avatar.
In fact, it will be quite difficult for me to clearly describe her nature completely.
As for the rest, well I see another discussion of some vague things. I do not want to join this conversation. You guys are considering regeneration not quite like me, so I can not give clear advice. Mathew's points are probably closest to me from this topic.
Transduality technically should be so immensely powerful even for a 1-A, that the transcendence in relation to the realm of physics is practially nonexistent. Meaning it is non comparable, even if the reader themself thinks so for certain objective opinions.
Because 1-A >(infinitely beyond the concept itself) High 1-B, this a mathematically interpretation of the difference, it is obvious enough.
And yeah,"nothingness" varies greatly in the context.
Nothingness/Existenceness, whatever you may call it. However, One can not exist without the other, see the neverwere's for example.
Now, there are "realm of nothingness" who are metaphorically beyond the concept of dualism itself. That is a Nothingness that does not need existenceness, and is far beyond the concept of them being related(in some way).
Well, that is the actual transduality, i'm referring to. Not multi-valued logic or non-dualism, because transduality is already transcendent to such things.
Of course, within context is this rather tricky to actually see. Since the story is still left to intrepation between right and left, but it is the metaphor that matters.
All your text and the concepts described are still something. Not nothing. Theory and practice in the context of a wiki this is what I'm talking about.
There is no problem, if you cleary formulate such definition of "transduality" for the wiki, which will only apply to 1-A. But in that case your task will be to find suitable characters and explain why this ability is necessary (that is, it should not simply duplicate the 1-A status).
That is, it's not the Powerlisting wiki where you can just embed beautiful metaphors and philosophical texts into a description of abilities. You must have clear criteria for these abilities and examples of characters.
Hm? Actual metaphors can indeed imply the concept of nothing indirectly even while it’s existing as "something", to a observer.
"The only way to combat such an entity, is to also be outside of the "binary code" or duality, or have the capability to affect the code of the nondual being (for example if being and non-being are 1 and 0 respectively and the nondual being is "2" if the being that is "1" or "0" as the ability to affect the "2", normally via hax, then they can affect the nondual/transdual entity)."
The above is incorrect, the reason why i can describe the context, within correct or non-correct is because the relationships and differentiation between negation, and "affirmation"exists. The statement above however, says that a mathematical metaphor of transduality is enough. But that's factually incorrect, since it's physically impossible, and usually even metaphysically.
Transduality is definitely not hax, people are claiming it like that because they are considering this term on the objective part. And no "2", either. That’s just similar to-multi valued logic, all of these propositions end up up being variations within the realm of physics, and dualism. Unless, you’re not sticking to mathematics and interpret the metaphors as they are , which implies a entity far beyond the concept of inter-relations between abstract concepts, baseline 1-A’s are usually utterly powerless before them, and can not even process or touch the very imagery of their transdual essence.
Simply, there is no way to form a "relationship" between transduality and dualism. You can't even put a "no relationship to", because it is metaphorically, and theoretically absent of the negations and affirmations that shape up "in relationships to". Not even Baseline 1-A's are capable of doing that.
This whole context means it is quite difficult, to determine who's a transdual entity. However, it should not be seen from the standpoint, of how protagonist relate to each other., rather than how Outerversal are metaphorically described. That is, not "simple dialogue." or from "cause to effect."
Transduality is not a mere "ability" that is, more like a hyper transcendent 1-A, who may even be high 1-A.
For example, The usual baseline for 1-A still “exists” within some kind of relationship to other abstracts conceptual beings. for such reason even a baseline 1-A can never even hope to reach, or conceive a transdual entity.
Indirectly - Transduality is neither the direct affirmation of metaphysical essence, nor the negation of metaphysical essence, that's why it's immensely more powerful and beyond this "baseline" 1-A. In a bit clearer context, this implies a very rare case for 1-A, both in power and in the complexity of essence.
Finally. Transduality, is a immensely powerful meta-abstract entitiy, that can “separate” everything from nothing, and vice versa. This 1-A can for example, even “play” with these interconnected concepts as it wishes, rearranger them, disconnect/connect them from/to each other, or even make up entirely new connections of abstract concepts. It’s about the how-they-are-related, and because of that, baseline 1-A's before a transdual entity they are almost always; completely powerless.
A 1-A entity can possibly be transdual because it inherently exists as a metaphor. We both know that is explicitly impossible, for these beings(authors) within the realm of physics to detail them, just as 1-A's do to each other.
Again. Your task is to formulate clear criteria that will allow you to determine which character will fit into the definition, and which character does not fit. And of course you need examples with feats.
Okay, I be direct with you, the main issue with describing transduality is that it's physically impossible by simple words, because even Non-dualism, is neverthless the negation of dualism. In other words, every physical essence is bound to the objective part of none, or one. In relation to, or from.
On the theoretical part, they are -
Completely independent of any system that describes a "relationship", "opposite" to a “interior” or “exterior” concepts, and in some extremely special cases this 1-A may even be independent from High 1-A's, it’s not that there is lack of a “system” of reference, there is just simply no need for it, they have no need for this "allness", other than themself.
It's basically immense transcedence over baseline 1-A's, to the point where even baseline 1-A's can't define them or conceive their power, at all or even process the very imagery of their transdual essence.
Simply, "Anything", "Everything", "Nothing" they can do. They dont need, some relativness to reference from, or to. Other than themself. Because even the differentiation that "exist", between affiramtion and negation are what shape up relationships between abstract concepts.
They are simply far beyond baseline 1-A's, to the point where even transcedence over perception is rebundant. They are almost, always in their own league, sometimes with the expection of High 1-A's. But however that's irrelevant, since they are still hyper transcedent 1-A's.
Also, for the "feats" part. I will come to that, but a bit later. And thank you for your time.
Being that VS Battles' tiers are primarily drawn from ACF's own tiers, why merge Low 1-A into intermediate 1-A? I am aware of how you guys feel about changing the higher tiers in any way, not to mention I can think of very few characters that would qualify for intermediate 1-A outside of the Outer Gods from the Cthulhu Mythos if this were somehow to be done. I just figured I should ask you about it.
Kepekley23 wrote: Can I politely ask what that means, exactly?
For example, despite the fact that anyone can say anything and anywhere (even criticize the system and administrators), in discussions involving 1-A, only the opinions of a rather narrow circle of competent people matter. Most often these are authors of profiles.
"For reasons above" or "expert" opinions of those who only read some respect threads (or wiki profiles) most likely just be ignored if these competent people do not find them worthy of attention. And since such people are quite few and these characters are quite few, there is no big problem to agree on their tiers.
I might have to talk with the other bureaucrats regarding what we should do about the versus forum. It does not really add anything of value to the wiki, attracts lots of stupid conflicts, and causes unnecessary work with adding suspicious matchup results.
Tbh the vs match-up addition has the exact same problem as the list of accepted calcs. The problem isn't the system not working, only people not applying it (not pointing any finger, i'm part of those people too). If every staff member who can do it added two threads, all the results posted so far in the latest thread would be in.
Not my point. I meant that it's easy to do if everyone is willing to do it. VS threads are and remain secondary compared to CRTs and edit monitoring, but nonetheless they deserve attention.
It's also better if everyone spends 5 minutes adding them each day than having 1-2 staff members doing all the job as these two would inevitably lose time that they could otherwise use to check edits/CRTs