Hey DaFritzi. Long time no see. Look when you have the time I would like your help. See I'm trying to make Drakengard profiles. But Currently the big issue is that we don't have an appropriate scale.
My argument for mountain level tier is the notion that Armaros is mountain sized and his destruction is to be scaled. However not everyone is happy with that.
If you look on YouTube and look for Drakengard Armaros boss fight, you should be able to scale Armaros to a few things. One would be Mikhail, a dragon, you can use an air ship that shares a scene with Armaros etc etc. I need the help. Without it we can't make more Drakengard profiles.
That's fine with me. As long as it gets done eventually. I don't want to rush you of course take your time. But I appreciate that you'll help me. Contact me if you have questions on anything as I'm happy to help any way I can
However the problem is that I can't angsize it because I don't know the distance you are away from. I was able to somewhat estimate Armaros total heigt to be around 370 meters by scaling it to Mikhai. But the only somewhat reasonable comparison is still only a vague one.
Here the next problem occurs. Armaros never moves. Thus we can't really use it's size for AP. The only attacks he uses are the cannons, the green crystals and the traktor beam thingy, none of which seem particularly useful for estimating its AP.
I don't know how this deamon thing works in DG3, but if four creates Armaros (like actually create from nothing) we could use mass energy.
If we can't do that it would theoretically be possible to estimate Armaros weight (would still be quite vague, because we neither know material nor hollowness). Then we could scale Mikhail to one of the wyverns carrying Armaros (I guess Mikhail should be at least equal to one of the wyverns in terms of strength). This way might only give us lifting strength though (I haven't done calcs with gravity yet, so I'm not sure what unit the result will have).
Dropping Armaros from up there might yield a surprisingly high result though. However since that doesn't happen in the fight (and would probably destroy Armaros in the process) I'm not sure if it would get accepted.You could propose this as AP via self-destruction though, but of course no one would scale to this. Just a silly thought I had.
@Gargoyle No problem. If I find the time, I'll stop by and try to answer some of the questions, but I can't guarantee it will be anytime soon. Sry.
Thank you very much. So I take it that the math itself is correct?
I'll try to explain what the whole crater thing is about:
Since said control room is below the mountain it means that the mountain itself was blown away by the portion of the explosion that was released upwards. The energy of an explosion should disperse spherically. As such the portion released downwards should at least equal the portion released upwards.
The part of the explosion directed upwards "only" has to blow away the mountain before the energy can disperse in the air. The energy directed downwards cannot. Thus I assumed crater sizes for approximating the amount of the energy that must have gone downwards. Those are depending on the position of the control room and the fact that the mountain as a whole was engulfed by the explosion.
However if you have a better way for calculating the energy that travelled downwards please tell me and I will try to implement it in my calc.
I have some questions about the verse, if you don't mind that is.
1. I've been thinking about the size of the Anti-Spiral universe, and i've come to the conclusion that it's far bigger than it's said to be; namely that it can contain atleast the volume of 20 universes with no issues. "Why?" You may ask? Well, in the battle between STTGL and the Super Granzeboma, they were able to unleash both their Giga Drill Breaks, both of which are 10 times bigger than their respective universe-sized mecha's, and the Anti-Spiral universe was still easily bigger than that. The reason i mention this is because that would make both the Anti-Spiral and Simon far stronger (and possibly Lagann, depending on if the Anti-Spiral universe is just as big as in the movies, which brings me to my next question). So what are your thoughts of this?
2. Shouldn't Lagann scale from the Anti-Spiral? I mean, Lagann killed the Anti-Spiral in the last episode of the original series with Lagann Impact.
I'd apreciate to hear your thoughts, and i'd also like to mention that i've discussed all of the above with The Everlasting, and he agrees with my points
1) Well the volume of a single Super Giga Drill Breaker is over a 100x the volume of the observeable universe. Taking into consideration the distance you have to be away from the clash of the two Super Giga Drill Breaker to see them as small as they were portrayed the AS universe must be gigantic, that is if it was finite in size. Which we don't know. In my opinion it is most likely infinite in size.
That said I don't think we can upgrade the two as they are already rated capable of destroying multiple universal spacetimes of infinite size.
2) Yes, both Anime Lagann and Movie Gurren Lagann should have an EoS key scaled to it. Anime Lagann would be 2-C for drilling through AS and Gurren Lagann should be low 2-C for breaking Super Granzebomas drill after the previous forms weakened it.
There was a thread mentioning this not too long ago, but it somehow died before reaching a conclusion.
And i'm well aware of that thread; as i was the one to mention this. What do you think we should do about this though? I mean i can't just go ahead and make the keys without prior discussion first, but the one time i mention this, the thread dies out of the blue, with no changes having been made or the thread having been finished..
The best idea would be to create a new content revision thread focussed solely on getting the EoS keys for Lagann and Gurren Lagann accepted. The more you try to change with a single thread the less people will take the time to actually read through everything.
I suppose so. Guess i'll get to that later today (seeing as i still have things to do), will you highlight it for me as well as give your input once i made it? Thought i'd ask seeing as your input/support as well as Everlasting's would greatly help.
Also while it is not mandatory to post scans, I would definitely recommend to always post your source in some way (scan, link, ...). Increases your credibility and gives people insight on the feat in question.
Also, no problem, should you have any other questions feel free to ask me.
Point taken. Actually, i was planning to put some links and stating the exact time that the feats began. Hell, the reason i haven't got to finishing the thread is because i can't find a good website that streams Lagann-hen properly. So perhaps you can help me with that?
Yeah, no idea why this is, but threads/comments that are open in editing for longer then an hour or two, dunno the exact timeframe, will simply vanish when you try to submit them then.
Tip when you work on threads for a long time and you're not sure if this could happen again: Change to source (the brackets), copy everything into a word file, if submitting doesn't work you have the backup to copy back into the source.
Why source, because then you copy all links, pictures and formatting as well.
its time for the next ambitious part is making a page for the Machine Network. I will of course make the first rough draftw hich you may edit at your leisure.
But i have a problem. Unlike androids which generally have the same strength it doesnt sit well with me that standard enemies would be 7-B likely 7-A while Goliath Class enemies like Engels, Beauvoir, Ko Shi, Ro Shi, etc are also the same rank. i think its worth discussing that all goliath class special enemies (Adam and Eve and potentially red girl included) should be upgraded to 7-A.
Then we need to discuss how to classify this orgaization. i was thinking "Universally spanning empire of loosely connected factions with a common overlapping goal" Since we do know the aliens conquered numerous planet and originally came fromoutside the galaxy but was present on mars, and we know the entire species was made extinct. Anyway my point is that their is much to discuss
"But i have a problem. Unlike androids which generally have the same strength it doesnt sit well with me that standard enemies would be 7-B likely 7-A while Goliath Class enemies like Engels, Beauvoir, Ko Shi, Ro Shi, etc are also the same rank. i think its worth discussing that all goliath class special enemies (Adam and Eve and potentially red girl included) should be upgraded to 7-A."
The problem is that all of them scale to the androids. Them being pure 7-A just doesn't make sense.
"Since we do know the aliens conquered numerous planet"
you know the engels that you talk to to get the engels memories? in his memories the first document he gives you it says he has a kill count of 11,000+. surely that counts for someting to it being 7-A.
now that we cleared up the range of the aliens do you agree with my classification for the machine lifeforms?
The Goliath-class machines scale to the androids, so "at least 7-B, likely 7-A" is correct.
However it is also correct that regular machines should not be rated the same. I'm not sure about what tier to assign to them. 7-B (Considerably inferior to androids like 2B, but still capable of harming them) might be a possible solution.
Aliens conquering planets should be correct. Not sure about how conquering stars should be interpreted. The best guess would probably be to assume they can travel between solar systems and have conquered planets in different solar systems.
Travelling between solar systems is something the ark created by the Red Girl could theoretically be capable of. However given the description of the ark from ending D, I doubt it's usefulness as a means of transport.
Engels was first deployed August 3, 11934 CE. His kill count is 11,345. However as Ever said, we don't know what kind of Androids he killed. The first YoRHa type was finished September 11937, so most of Engels kills likely weren't YoRHa units. That said we see Engels one-shotting YoRHa units with his laser in the prologue. However IIRC you survive them as 2B, so I'm not sure how to interpret it. All in all I think keeping him scaled directly from A2s feat might be the best.
This could work as the descriptive text:
"The network is a datastream connecting all machine lifeforms on the planet. Since their creators have conquered other planets before finding their end on earth there is a high likelyhood of the network extending to other planets, possibly even extending outside of our solar system. The networks reach going at least beyond earth is confirmed by the fact that the Red Girl can appear in and affect places like YoRHa's bunker, which is on the same orbit as the moon.
Networked machines can share their experience and draw information from the network. The network works somewhat like a collective consciousness for the machines. Thus individuals connected to it can be assumed highly intelligent due to the knowledge at their disposal. Dispite them being heavily connected the machines posess a strong sense of individuality."
I would mention the core units and the terminal as well in some form.
I just checked on it and you do survive the laser, its not a programmed insta-kill. I played on hard difficulty.
However I am level 99. Not sure if the laser scales with your level like all other enemies in the bullet hell sequences do, but if it doesn't there is no way you can survive it on hard when you start a new game at level 1. I'll have to test this, I hope I find time to do this tomorrow.
I have removed the flight unit from the YoRHa page for now, but I wanted to discuss it's AP for some time, so once that is done I'll likely add it back in.
Where did the time manip for flight units come from?
I have added a "likely" to the tier and AP of the mortar since, while it did hurt Grun, we have no idea how strong it truely is, might be higher, might be lower, don't know.
Will continue to work on the page tomorrow. I'll add Weapons, chips, flight unit and pods.
What's your opinion on removing all abilities coming from 2B, 9S, A2 and replace them with "all of those androids have some and a few even have all of those abilities ..." -link to 2B,9S,A2 pages. Would make the page more compact and easier to read, however it won't have all abilities it has access to in one place anymore, that's the downside...
im sorry ive been busy busy busy.i prefer to keep all powers in one place. its convieniant and all on one page. i got time manip on flight units because.... you can do the time manip dodge thing as youd do as a normal soldier so.... i thought it was obvious.
also if you ever make a thread to discuss the tier of the mortars, warships and flight units let me know.