I wasn't in that thread (Luffy vs Cole) so I don't know the details.
But even if Cole has AoE, homing attacks and better range Luffy has speed enhancements and precog to help him with that so Cole'd have a bad time trying to get a good hit on Luffy. And it's not like Luffy abuses range. He will get close to land the strongest attacks.
And considering the vast majority of Cole's attacks are electrical-based more than the half of the versatility is rendered useless since Luffy was completely unaffected by electrical attacks far stronger than his paygrade (like 6-C attacks being around High 7-C).
And fair nuff. But Cole's specialty with his attacks is that his range attacks are useful up close too. In fact it gets more dangerous to get close to him, considering he can spam ice attacks close and with more volume.
True enough. Though Cole won't just spam electric attacks if he figures out the trick... But he still has the gigawatt blades which are basically lightsabers of lightning that cut off flesh. It worked against a very strong electric resistance and electric draining monster. And his lightning storm is able to pierce through it too. On the other hand, they're both 6-C at their high ends but on Luffy's Case he's high 6-C only if Gear 4th. He can't keep that up for long iirc?
Well it was argued that Luffy is dangerous enough to make Cole think twice before getting close due to the insane agility and reactions Luffy has.
Obviously I'm not saying he will spam electric attacks if they are useless. The Gigawatt Blades is the only thing I find helpful respecting to electric abilities against Luffy, at least before using Armament to vulcanize the body and G4: Boundman and Tankman are special on that regard.
The first time Luffy used the G4 he kept it up for 20 minutes but apparently that was retconned for Whole Cake and now he can use it for several minutes. Or we could say that if Luffy abuses the G4 the post-usage renders him Haki-less and unmobile while using it for smaller amounts of time just takes his Haki away.
Right now it's hard to make this match. Luffy is at best baseline 6-C with the new ratings so it won't happen anytime soon.
Ahhh, gotcha. In that case definitely speed on Cole. Though with speed unequalized who's faster?
True. But by range being used up front, I mean he has a way to send Luffy back.
Well there's also the arc restraints that can bind, and some of Cole's explosive attacks and shockwaves can send people floating helplessly in midair. I'm unsure of whether those can tank Cole's sharp attacks especially if Cole focuses all the energy there, but I can't be sure.
Gotcha. In that case Cole's primary tactic would be to play keep away, which is possible considering his true flight. Also he might stay over water if they're fighting in a coastal area if he could lead Luffy there. Though that would be risky, it won't kill him.
With the current ratings Cole is faster but soon there will be a discussion about OP's speed and the characters with good Precog will get Rela or possibly Rela+ reactions and possibly combat speed. Right now they are massively superior to Mach 200 (going by the profiles because they are some feats putting him between Mach 1000 and 1300).
With Ice, yes, he can send him back but Luffy's Lifting Strength (G4) is far higher than Cole's so the Ice won't be such a problem everytime. Luffy has resistance to cold temperatures but is meaningless against true ice so that doesn't matter.
Sending Boundman Luffy mid-air is nearly worthless with the Pseudo-Flight tho. Keep Luffy away is possible but Luffy has good range. If this is first game Cole who are we talking about then Luffy has a very good range advantage. He's currently accepted at 13km but that's a bad method I fixed and he's now nearly 25km while Cole is stated at several Km. So even if Cole tries to keep Luffy away he'll have a bad time trying to avoid Luffy's attacks from far away he can do. Second game wins the range game by far so there's no discussion. He can play range game with that advantage with no problems if he's truly able to draw a solid line that Luffy can't pass.
It's a fight I'd pay to see. I didn't played inFAMOUS but I love Cole's powers and fighting style so as Luffy's. Depending on the area Cole might get the advantage with the water.
The most troublesome of Luffy's traits is the precog. Isn't something like Sharingan now but he can see actual future. A few seconds before Cole does something, Luffy is already prepared for it and will dodge so that's the main problem. But seeing the future isn't something like sealing the future. If something changes, the future does aswell. Cole'd need to be fast enough to attack Luffy before he can react to see the new future. That's what Luffy did against Katakuri, a far better Observation user than him. He boosted his speed so high that even if Katakuri is able to see the future, once Luffy changes it he punches him before he could react to the new future sight.
With speed unequal, Cole can do this with some effort (if Relativistic via reaction is accepted) given the speed difference. With speed equal he'd need some omnidirectional AoE attacks to help him in the battle.
With the increase of volume in replies, I'm gonna have to hold back from replying. Need to focus on homework and finals here I'm afraid. I'm barely on this site nowadays. Will respond again once very available. But it's fun to debate on this level.
That said one thing, I'm not kidding on the "Keep away tactic" since Cole can negate flight through the graviton effect. It doesn't just send you away but actually really messes with your flight, even teleports can't easily get away from it. But will continue this some other time.
Both Bakugou and Kirishima were confident that the latter could withstand a Howitzer Impact, Sato said Kirishima would go flying through the building, he never said Kirishima could not survive the attack.
Also, Kirishima's Unbreakable form is virtually immune to attacks that previously damaged his normal hardened form, which is 1.05 tons, so Kirishima being Building level+ and taking Bakugou's Howitzer Impact makes a lot of sense.
RIP. College somehow manages to suck up all of my free time even when I don’t have any assignments due
Yeah, I’ve been mentally compiling an abilities list and keys for all the characters and try and figure out a scaling train for the series to figure out who scales to who.
Tho at least we have confirmed supersonic Ohma since he dodged the top of a whip (which was confirmed supersonic) before he “awoke” during his training before the 2nd round. There’s also the fact that Raian notes that he was at least 2x faster than he was in base when he used True Advance
And u did good mate, now to find one.... That "The weak must fear the strong" one of Ohma and Beardo...
Same. Well, for me I'm legit out of time but I'm still here lol
Definitely, I'm actually willing to say there's a possibly MHS rating for Rei, but possible is the best. I think I told you of a High Hypersonic calc I got for Beardman. But yeah at the very least, they're solid Mach 4ish, almost Mach 5.
Even Inaba has bullet deflection feats and I'm sure Mugeta (hype for Mugeta vs Takeshi) dealt with that a lot.
I was gonna due one with the Saw Paing childhood scene where Saw Paing is the MF like button and the sledgehammer is smash
We need to unlock Za Warudo so that We can have unlimited goof off time
Definitely at least Mach 5, also interested to see the Beardo calc, always hyped for more hype of the all powerful Beard-Man
Yup, almost forgot about that Inaba hair whipping bullets feat, that should be more than enough to justify supersonic Kengan Ashura. Also interesting to note, they point out how even normal people’s hair can lift and pull massive amounts of weight (like an airplane iirc), and the Inaba clan’s hair was even stronger than that. Ohma managed to rip Inaba’s hair when he used the Advance. Lifting strength feat perhaps?
I am loving Muteba rn. I never woulda thought that he would become one of my favorite characters. I like how they gave him a personality beyond being a bloodthirsty mercenary.
I think it's something that's worth checking out. Though I'm a bit worried that it might fall into outlier territory if it is accepted, since it seems higher than Julius' feats of resisting the pull of a speeding F1 racer and crushing a massive weight in between his hands. Guys like Julius and Takeshi are confirmed to be top tier in terms of raw power and strength, so it would be kinda weird for Ohma to have a superior feat of lifting strength (then again he was using the Advance so maybe not)