Manifold Time
The purpose of humankind - the first intelligence of all - had been to reshape the universe in order to bud others and create a storm of mind. We got it wrong, he thought. By striving for a meaningless eternity, humans denied true infinity. But we reached back, back in time, back to the far upstream, and spoke to our last children - the maligned Blues - and we put it right. This is what it meant to be alone in the universe, to be the first. We had all of infinite time and space in our hands. We had ultimate responsibility. And we discharged it. We were parents of the universe, not its children.
~ A quote from Manifold: Time


Downstreamers are a posthuman civilization. They are born in ‘primal universe’, the first and oldest race in Manifold trilogy. They are creators of Manifolds. Known as ‘Downstreamers’ in their Pre-FVC form, and are called ‘Old Ones’ in Post-FVC form. Their Pre-FVC form survived past the heat death of the universe. They seek to create more life, and they thus reached back in time to send messages back to 21st century, telling their ancestors of their plan to restructure the Manifoldverse.

Powers and Stats

Tier: 3-A to High 1-C | At least High 1-B, Possibly 1-A

Name: Downstreamers, Old Ones, Ancestors of the Afterglow

Origin: Manifold trilogy

Gender: Unknown

Age: More than 10^117 years old | Inapplicable

Classification: Hyperadvanced posthuman civilization, neutrino/quantum consciousness/informational beings | Abstract Existences

Powers and Abilities: Acausality, Abstract Existence, Higher-Dimensional Manipulation, Regeneration (High-Godly, can even ‘regenerate’ into more powerful form after their neutrino/quantum consciousness/informational form was destroyed in Manifoldverse’s collapse), Time Manipulation, Immortality (Type 1 & Possibly Type 10 for Post-FVC form), Causality Manipulation (They transcend causality and could alter causality on multiversal scale), Omniscience, Invulnerability (Type ‘Absolute Invulnerability’ for Post-FVC form. They are beyond all laws of physics as we know them), Possibly Transduality for Post-FVC form (They presumably created and transcend the ‘ultimate reality’ which contains mathematical entities/concepts/ideas which are responsible for existence of all things in reality. Which would presumably include ‘nondual planes’ or universes not governed by ‘binary logic’, i.e : universes which are governed by ‘multi-valued logic’), Possibly Conceptual Manipulation For Post-FVC form (They presumably created and transcended the ‘ultimate reality’ which contains mathematical entities which are in many ways similar to Ideas or Concepts), Matter Manipulation, Physics Manipulation, Spaceflight, Teleportation, Non-Corporeal, Probability Manipulation, Creation, Quantum Manipulation, Portal Creation, Time Travel, Mathematics Manipulation, Reality Warping

Attack Potency: Universe level (Can create a material out of their thoughts that can tank a thousand big bangs per second. Similarly, they possess weapons capable of carving giant holes on a construct trillion times bigger than our current observable universe) to High Complex Multiverse level (Can alter time on 1000 universes, including at least one 11-dimensional universe) | At least High Hyperverse level (The Downstreamers can create and destroy any kind of universe that follows any scientific cosmologies and mathematics; this includes multiverses with infinite dimensionalal Hilbert Space, and various others), Possibly Outerverse level (These various universes are presided by something similar to ‘Plato’s Realm of Ideas’, which contains mathematical entities, which are immutable, have no spatiotemporal and causal properties, and are described as eternal and unchanging, in which ‘the everyday world can only imperfectly approximate an unchanging, ultimate reality’ which is responsible for existence of all things in reality. The Manifoldverse itself consists of infinite number of infinite multiverses, encompassing all forms of mathematics. The Downstreamers themselves exist at the top of this endless hierarchy and are able to comprehend the "ultimate manifold" that that encompasses all other manifolds in the tapestry of existence. They are beyond all laws of physics as we know them, allowing them to modify a few rules governing how the whole Manifoldverse works and allow them to create ‘infinite possibilities for life and mind’)

Speed: Massively FTL+ (Their non-corporeal forms include Causal Loop computer that essentially make them know things before they happen, and they have FTL ships to transport lesser races) | Immeasurable (They created Red Moon, a construct that could travel through an infinite amount of universes in a finite time through the use of phase space [higher-dimensional] engineering), Possibly Irrelevant (Downstreamers themselves are presumably responsible for the creation of ‘ultimate reality’ which is responsible for existence of all things in reality, thus they are possibly beyond all concepts)

Lifting Strength: Unknown | Immeasurable, Possibly Irrelevant

Striking Strength: Unknown | At least High Hyperversal, Possibly Outerversal

Durability: Universe level (Some Downstreamers, who don’t come from the ‘time of Afterglow’ are born from naked singularities, similarly, they can survive even when exposed to a naked singularity on close proximity. Downstreamers can create material out of their thoughts that can tank a thousand big bangs per second. Said material is completely immune to any change in the laws of physics and the material and Downstreamers themselves could even survive long past heat death) to High Hyperverse level (individual Pre-FVC Downstreamers themselves are intangible neutrino/quantum consciousness/informational beings which could survive the collapse of all dimensions, spacetime and laws of physics all across multiverse) | At least High Hyperverse level (Shed off their previous form and became more powerful. They are described to be ‘universal-spanning abstraction’), Possibly Outerverse level (They presumably created ‘ultimate reality’ which is responsible for existence of all things in reality. Thus making them transcending all form of mathematical entities/concepts/ideas)

Stamina: Unknown | Infinite

Range: Interstellar (Pre-FVC Downstreamers are described to be a ‘light-year wide’ in size) to High Complex Multiversal (could do timeline alteration on at least 1000 non-causally connected universes and could set up Time Portals made of physics-warping material at will on at least 1000 universes) to High Hyperversal (They have access to the whole Manifoldverse) | At least High Hyperversal (can control and initiate cosmic inflation across the multiverse in which universes are described as mere bubbles of a foam in a sea), Possibly Outerversal (Downstreamers exist on the “ultimate manifold”, on top of an endless hierarchy that encompasses all other manifolds in the tapestry of existence)

Standard Equipment: None notable

Intelligence: Omniscient (know every state a universe could take, down to quantum level. Their 'brain' is Causal Loop computer, which grants them infinite processing power) | Omniscient (Downstreamers exist at the top of this endless hierarchy and are able to comprehend the "ultimate manifold" that that encompasses all other manifolds in the tapestry of existence.)

Weaknesses: Dependent on energy (mainly from Black Holes). If they are in a universe in a time approaching heat death, it took more than gigaeons for Downstreamers to form a single thought because they have no Black Holes to draw the energy required to sustain their more powerful abilities | None notable (Post-FVC Downstreamers are beyond all laws of physics. And possibly beyond constraints of all concepts/ideas)


  • Red Moon: A moon-sized construct that wanders through Manifoldverse to transport humans from different universes to empty universes. It can travel to infinite number of universes in a finite amount of time through use of phase space (higher-dimensional engineering). It can also affect probability through quantum tunneling.
  • Refugium: A universe-sized construct built around cosmic strings, which is created as a shelter of sorts to all different kind of organisms. All sections have bubbles tailored to suit all kind of organisms’ needs.
  • Planetarium: It is simulation system with a purpose to project a generated reality surrounding the solar system, perfectly undetectable. The planetarium is a perfect simulation down to the quantum level, requiring more energy than a galaxy. It’s implied that this was just another experiment of the Downstreamers, resolving the Fermi Paradox in a certain universe by creating this false reality to protect humanity.

Notable Attacks/Techniques:

  • Time Portals: Pre-FVC Downstreamers can materialize material of molded spacetime out of their thought at will. The material can be used to time travel and for defensive purposes (it can tank thousand big bangs effortlessly and is still intact even past heat death of the universe. It can also deploy a field around selected area and allows Downstreamers to freely change the laws of physics inside it).
  • Unreality Wave: It mix all different possible states of a universe from phase space until the universe is completely destroyed.
  • Timeline Alteration: It allows Pre-FVC Downstreamers to change timelines of at least 1000 different non-causally connected universes at the same time.
  • Post-FVC form: They transformed into more powerful form after their Non-Corporeal form (neutrino/quantum consciousness/informational form) was destroyed in the multiversal collapse. Their Post-FVC form transcends mathematics/concepts/ideas.
  • Cosmic Inflation: They can make seeds which would grow into bubbles (universes) in which these bubbles are described as bubbles of a foam in an ocean.
  • Changing the rules of Manifoldverse: Post-FVC Downstreamers can change the rules of Manifoldverse which allows them to create infinite possibilities for life and mind.

Key: Pre-FVC Downstreamers | Post-FVC Downstreamers/Old Ones


Notable Victories:

Time Lords (Doctor Who) Time Lords Profile (Note: This was Pre-FCV Downstreamers)

Notable Losses:

Mercurius (Masadaverse) Mercurius Profile (1-A versions were used)

Inconclusive Matches:

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